[CBS Sports] Howard no lock for Lakers; interested in Rockets

The 1 extra year on the contract is strictly a money and security thing. It means more commission money for Fegan too which will certainly drive his intentions. Fegan will certainly remind Howard that he has back and shoulder issues and can't afford to give away security if his body doesn't get back to where it was 2 years ago. I'm not sure Howard really gives a damn about winning or basketball anyway for that matter. He keeps talking in interviews about a movie career that he thinks he's going to have.

And I don't think they will have a wasted year next season if they don't get cursed with injuries again. I know Steve Nash, Kobe, and Pau are all really old, but the nature of their injuries last year were less specific to age. (Nash broke his shin on a collision play, Kobe with achilles, and Pau with plantar fascia tear landing wrong from a rebound attempt). They also switched coaches mid-season as well. If they all report back to camp and have a good pre-season working together with DAntoni's system, they could still live up to all the hype they were given last summer and compete for a title. They did have the 4th best record in NBA after the all star break and they were missing Gasol and Nash for much of that time.

 

Wrong name... either way, he's a marginal upgrade over BOGUT and a massive upgrade over Asik?

 

So can I retract my statement about Iggy? I actually think the Clippers may make a play for him if they can shake the terrible deal they have with DeAndre Jordan. But if the Lakers do use their amnesty clause on Kobe and Metta World Peace does opt out of his deal to sign a smaller one with Lakers, then there is some room to work for next year. They may even go ahead and trade Gasol for some other pieces that fit DAntoni's system.

 

I am having a bad day...lol so I am not explaining anything anymore. Cause ill prob be wrong and rude.

:grin:

 

Was just saying if money and winning were roughly equivalent for Howard. No idea what he thinks about that. CP3 has always cared more about winning, for example, but I am not so sure about Howard.

Next season they won't have Kobe for a big chunk of it. He MIGHT at BEST be ready by November, but that is with no conditioning. More reasonably ready by all star break, but can he come back from that major injury at his age and be just as effective? Not having Kobe for almost half the season and then maybe having a worse version of him isn't great.

Pau is out this summer for more surgery (fixing the nagging issue), but like Nash is old. Their injuries you say don't have to do with their age -- I disagree. Some of the nagging injuries like what Pau had would very much relate to his age. More importantly, it is how fast they can bounce back from these things, and even the rate at which they keep getting injured. I would be shocked to see Nash be like Nash of 2012 or 2011. He will be much more like Nash of 2013, which was kinda bad. Pau can still be effective, assuming he remains healthy. That is a big if.

And while the coaching change threw off their tempo, the bigger issue is Dantoni doesn't really work with their personnel. LAL is full of old, slowing players. Dantoni doesn't work with that haha. He doesn't know how to properly utilize Dwight or Pau tbh, and is just going 'default coaching mode.' It is his system that is tough for them.

Can LAL maybe do better next yr than this yr? I could see that. Could they CONTEND? I honestly do not believe they will be close.

 

Iggy doesn't fit that well w/ LAC though. Iggy needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective, but CP3 is busy having the ball haha. Sure, one could say Harden and CP3 would have the same issue, but Iggy is no Harden

Also, Iggy doesn't thrive in the fast pace as much as in the half court set, if you compare his DEN season with his prior seasons. LAC is much closer to run n' gun. Not saying Iggy would suck on LAC, just saying if I were the LAC GM, I probably would not try to win a high bid on Iggy for the team.

 

Ok, let's review:

My initial post in this thread was:

You then replied with :

When you said "No they don't" I assume that was in reply to my statement that "The MLE (and other exceptions) count against a team's cap". It doesn't really make sense in any other context. I've twice posted link's to Coon's FAQ showing that the MLE does indeed count against a team's cap. So, in that case you were wrong.

You also said "you only get the full MLE if you are OVER the cap". The two Coon FAQ questions that I posted again shows that for a team under the cap the MLE counts against the cap (unless renounced). So, therefore, a team under the cap DOES have an MLE and your statement that "you only get the full MLE if you are over the cap" is wrong. All teams get an MLE, it's just that some of the additional rules (like MLE counting against the cap) make it nonsensical for a team under the cap to ever use the exception.

Next you said :

Miami didn't sign Mike Miller with an exception so again you are wrong.

Next you said:

Miami's signings of Bosh, Wade and Lebron did not put them WAY over the cap as you stated. That is another incorrect statement (bold letters doesn't make it right). Wade's cap hold was chewing up Miami's cap space so they had to sign Wade first (since his starting salary was much less than his cap hold) to free up some of the cap space that his cap hold was tying up.LBJ and Bosh were then signed using the remaining cap space and by definition you can't exceed the cap to sign another team's free agent.

The part about Miami being over the cap when they signed Miller is also incorrect. They were actually under the cap an signed him with cap space (created by trading Michael Beasley) and after acquiring Miller they were at the cap again (still not over).

So, there's just a few cases where you were wrong. Feel free to keep telling yourself that you weren't wrong. Replying to your posts is like having an ATM for reputation points.

 

i mean seriously... how much free time do you have to have on your hands to get into an in-depth debate over the course of several hours regarding the NBA luxury tax?

at least start a new thread so that the rest of us don't keep clicking the thread thinking something meaningful has been posted.

 

Bout time someone posted what i was feeling. Change the subject back to what we all care about, which is Dwight updates.

SWTsig, arent you the one who posted a few day ago that you had a source that said Dwight was most likely coming to Houston?

 

Warriors ?!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...campaign=br_gswarriors&utm_source=twitter.com

 

Any more word about that dinner Harden and Parsons had with Dwight? That just seems like a distant memory at this point.

 

Aren't the warriors near or over the cap?

 

Damn if Dwight went to Warriors the would be tough

 

ill do this real fast...i already admitted I was wrong about Miami and signing miller. I said that within 2 minutes or so of posting it. So you bringing it up is just you trying to save face and make yourself look like you had a reason to argue.

I said I didnt know which MLE they would get so therefor whether I thought it was the full or not is irrelevant. I made it clear I didnt know from the beginning. So you want to argue I was wrong about not knowing?

I made sure I was clear that I didnt know which exceptions were available, or how many were available. Turns out there was only one. I didnt know that. But I was still correct when I said we could Sign Howard and then sign Jack. Period. That was what the argument was about...nothing else matters. that was the orginal point you were contesting and you said so yourself later.

You either didnt know the the ROOM MLE exception was available after a team used its cap space or you didnt know the ROOM MLE was actually a variation of the MLE...when you started the argument.

So keep quoting me, but its not going to change the fact that my initial point was correct and still is...and that I was clear during the conversation that I didnt know what exceptions were available to them and which ones werent.

I was really wrong a few minutes ago so if you wanted to try and prove something you should have joined in there. This right here is trivial though.

 

Must spread rep...

 

Warriors have no cap space. Theyre payroll is at 75 mil next year, which prohibits sign-and-trade options. Even if they were to somehow get under the "apron" (teams $4 mil or less over the cap are eligible for sign-and-trade), Lakers wouldnt take back Bogut's $14 mil contract that would increase or maintain Lakers luxury tax bill.

 

Yeah, the Warriors mention kind of came out of nowhere. In another thread Basketballaholic suggested the Warriors could do a David Lee/Harrison Barnes package for D Howard.

 

yea they are they need to clear space

 

And keep in mind if Warriors want to resign Jared Jack. That eats in to their cap space as well.

 

yea you right