[CBS Sports] Howard no lock for Lakers; interested in Rockets

Your terms are DEFINITELY wrong, and that is why you're confusing yourself so much, but your math is wrong too.

Look, teams above the salary cap DO NOT pay luxury tax as you suggested earlier. You pay luxury tax once you are past the luxury tax line ($70M this yr).

Nets cannot just make one move and trade for CP3 or Howard. Again, you cannot be ABOVE the apron AFTER the SnT either. Nets have an appalling $84M in guaranteed money. They have to cut nearly $30.5M!!! just to absorb Howard's contract in a SnT. How the heck are they going to do that? That is why it is 'near impossible' for it to work.

 

ps - don't text and drive

It isn't cool, even if you think you're trying to be.

 

Wish I could give you more than one rep in this thread.

 

Your math is absolutely wrong. $58M does not matter. That is the salary cap. $70M is the number that matters. Apron is $4M above the luxury tax level, which is $70M.

So your earlier comments that the apron was at $62M was incorrect. And that players above $62M could not receive a free agent in a SnT were incorrect. Hence, incorrect math.

 

I wish I were at a level where I could rep at all hahaha.

 

so....

the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1,

I never finished reading that "after the trade" part. I just took 4 million above the cap as the reason they could preform the trade...but its not based on what they have before its what they have after the trade is completed.

Sorry...I would have checked before I spoke but I wasnt at a computer just on my phone. And I have been making those statements for months now and no one ever corrected me so I assumed I right.

 

Well you admitted you were wrong and you learned a new part of the CBA, so no harm no foul. However, you should try to be less abrasive towards people when the are trying to help you understand something.

Edit: Also shouldn't take it personally that you don't know 100% of the CBA language. Most of us don't. Heck, the teams that helped write the thing and then signed it didn't understand the way the contracts for Asik and Lin worked. (Not a 'loophole' by Morey)

 

That's fine. The cba is confusing. I have made many statements before and later learned I was wrong (heck, in this thread, Aelliot's comments about the exceptions made me realize I was wrong about the MLE). It happens with a document as confusing as the cba.

All I would hope for is that you're a bit more receptive to others in the future -- that you could be wrong and be willing to learn from it instead of irrationally sticking to unsupported beliefs. Citations and proof are your friend And maybe not be as mean to people who say one wrong thing. I still feel for that poor poster on page 46...

 

Some people dont care to correct if they did know the right answer, some didnt have time to post, some just never saw it I suppose.

Its all good man, like was said earlier....its fine getting mixed up, just dont be so insistent you are right when multiple folks try to correct you...especially members known to have a good understanding of the technicalities.

 

Funny, I was just wondering if megastahr had any idea who the heck he was arguing with. aelliot is one of the last guys I would argue with regarding the CBA.

 

justtxyank, pwnyxpress

i repped for each of you since I looked stupid. I normally know what I am talking about and usually double check bofore I speak. But I read over that real fast once and though I caught it...then been speaking incorrectly for months and not one person has said anything to me.

 

Rep for everyone who added quality discussion to the topic. Nice to have a discussion in the GARM that wasn't about Comcast or Lin.

 

I wasnt wrong with aelliot say what you want.

I said MLE...the MLE has 3 variations.

I never said FULL...i said you only get a full one if you over the cap...which is true...I then said that I DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT EXCEPTIONS WERE AVAILABLE OR WHAT THEY WERE CALLED.

So say what you want on that one but I wasnt wrong...I just didnt have all info and I stated that as I was talking.

Rockets can as I said sign howard and then sign a player with the MLE ...just not the full MLE...but the ROOM ... MLE ...is still the MLE...just a variation of the MLE. Sorry to be rude or whatever but I wasnt wrong there.

 

Most Cringe worthy argument I've seen here in months.

 

My original post in this sub-thread was in response to someone saying that Dwight Howard would be risking his future on a gimpy Kobe. I responded by indicating it would only be one year where they tried to make good with their redeem team and then everyone comes off the books and they can go shopping again. The idea about Iguodala and CP3 were sidebar comments for the scenario if they don't get Howard back...which I don't even want to consider anyway. I think I even said that I don't think CP3 would leave money on the table anyway and will re-sign with the Clippers. The Lakers still do have their amnesty that they may work out with Kobe for the good of the team. With Kobe and Howard off the books due to that, I believe the Lakers would only have one big contract (Gasol) and not be over the $58 mil cap anymore. Kobe can spend one year to rehabilitate and then sign back with the Lakers for less money in 2014. Only problem here is I believe the Lakers will lose Bird rights to Kobe and some team will probably put in a waiver request so they can sell some tickets with Kobe's picture on it.

Whatever the case, my original point is that Howard would not be signing onto a grim situation on the Lakers as many seem to suggest. They take one more shot next season with what they've got, maybe add Nate Robinson, Elton Brand, Martell Webster, and/or Kyle Korver...and then reload in 2014/15.

 

Yah it was my bad... I am hard headed. Usually I know what I say before I speak. The problem becomes when I only "think" I know and then speak :grin:

Anyways ill try and be less insistent on things and more attentive to others. This would have came to a conclusion quicker had I not been driving and doing all that from my phone . I would have had time to read the CBA faq and check myself.

Well lesson learned...I wont be so dumb in the future, and I appreciate you guys for explaining it in spite of my ignorance and arrogance. Thats a testament to your patience and helpfulness.

 

I don't know what your original point was. I was not responding to that. I don't think the others were either. Most (or at least me) were responding to your claims that somehow LAL could just go and sign Iggy. They almost certainly can't.

 

Also, it is pretty grim. Sure, 2014 might brighten up, but it might not. Even so, knowing that your upcoming season will suck is a pretty tough pill for a big-name player to swallow IN HIS PRIME.

I mean, if 1 yr mattered so little, why do people think the extra guaranteed yr at LAL matters so much? Could also say the extra wasted yr at LAL is just as bad, assuming Dwight cares at least almost equally about $$ as he does winning.

LAL can rebuild in 2014 -- whether Dwight is a part of that or not remains to be seen. I hope not

 

I got him for ya