[CBS Sports] Howard no lock for Lakers; interested in Rockets

Can you please provide the numbers now to end this confusion?

 

Ok say the cap is 58 million , well then the tax line would be any amount above 58 million ... 58,000,050 dollars would be above the tax line

It's basically saying the same thing

So 4 mil above the cap is 62 mil and 4 mil above the tax line is 61,999,999.99

Or something like that lol

 

I think there are some funky definitions going on. I'm reading Coon's faq and there is no such thing as a luxury "threshold." He does seem to use luxury tax LINE and luxury tax LEVEL as interchangeable. For example:

"the team would be over the "apron" -- the point $4 million above the tax level"
per #23

"This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line)."
per #25

The tax level is the luxury tax level, which is:

Tax level: $70.307 million
per #22

So the apron, if it were in effect this year, would be ~$74M, or $4M above the tax level/line.

 

Not accurate. The tax line is not the same thing as the salary cap.

You can be $4 million over the salary cap and NOT be over the luxury tax line at all.

 

Ok just think about logically

There is a cap 58 mil


There is a tax line 58.1 mil lol
(That is any amount above the cap...it's line where luxury tax begins)

Then there is a luxury tax threshold (where the cap becomes "harder")
This amount is 70 mil

So tax line is where luxury tax starts , the cap is used for any amount under the tax line ... And the threshold is the amount where teams getting more severe penalties

 

...ok

 

The luxury tax does not begin right after the salary cap though, that's where you are wrong.

A team with a salary of 59 million is not paying luxury tax.

 

So your earlier statement that:

"Point I am making if the rockets sign Howard and are no more then 4 million above the tax line...or 4 million above the cap..."

should be incorrect. It is $4M above the luxury tax level, which I believe is interchangeable with the term luxury tax line. Both refer to the $70M part.

But even if you wanted to refer to the amount immediately above the salary cap of $58M as the tax line, the apron is still above the tax LEVEL. Again, per #23:

"Note that most of these restrictions aren't triggered unless the team would be over the "apron" -- the point $4 million above the tax level"

But I do think tax line and tax level are used interchangeably or else Coon's faq would seem to have a lot of inconsistencies.

 

? You don't pay a luxury tax for being over $58M. No offense, but please at least read my posts where I am trying to clarify the terms.

Or better yet, read #21-23:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

 

I'm not arguing that

 

Where are you coming up with these random terms? Again, please refer to my post #983.

 

I can't do this any more lol point is

Rockets can have up to 4 million over the tax line which is 62 mil under this years salary cap. So if you don't agree with that lets just agree to disagree

 

And how are you not arguing the luxury tax starts at $58M+ when you yourself JUST TYPED the above (bolded).

 

Just out of curiosity what amount of salary do you think we could be at and still do sign and trades? 74 mil?

Cause then golden state could get Howard without making any moves

Just do a snt with la straight up no cost cutting moves

Their salary was 74 mil

 

Hey

On the bright side...ts refreshing to see members arguing about CBA issues and not Jeremy Lin.

:grin:

 

Yeah we just have to agree to disagree then. You are creating a made up number so no one is going to agree with you.

The line at which you could no longer receive a sign and trade player is much higher than 62 million. 62 million is not the luxury tax line, is not when you start paying luxury tax, etc. 62 million based on a 58 million dollar salary cap is a meaningless number.

 

That is just wrong. Will you actually read Coon's faq or anyone's posts? What is sad is you're a real dick even when you're wrong, telling other people how they don't understand the cba (see pg. 46 of this thread) when you yourself have got it wrong. Even your argument with Aelliot showed that.

It'd be smarter to say, "Wow, I didn't know that -- learned a lot." I know I did from Aelliot's explanations of the exceptions.

You're just making up terms. I don't even know where you're getting this from. Tax line = tax level. There is no such thing as a tax threshold. No where is it even used in Coon's faq. The apron is $4M above the tax line/tax level, which is used interchangeably by Coon in his faq.

In the same faq, it is noted that the luxury tax level is ~$70M. So the apron is at $74M, not $62M.

 

This CBA talk is boring as hell.
Anybody got any interesting news?

 

Well they can't go above the apron ($74M) AFTER getting the SnT'd player either. So they would have to be at $53.5M before absorbing Howard's contract. If they can send out the players to LAL and get Howard back in return and end up UNDER $74M (the apron), then sure.

But who the heck would they send that would make LAL agree to that SnT? lol

 

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

Tax level: $70 million
Apron: $4 million above tax level

Edit: A team cannot receive a player in sign and trade if it puts them over the apron ($74 million) so they couldn't do a S&T with LA directly.