[CBS Sports] Howard no lock for Lakers; interested in Rockets

thanks ive read it and have it favorited. Id say I am good.

 

Golden State shouldn't be on that list.

They're not going to trade Bogut and Lee for Dwight.

 

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Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1, 2. A team above the apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the apron.

This means if the cap is 60 million they can be no more then 64 million at total salary.

Thus me saying 4 million above the cap

What you are referring to is the luxury tax threshold. That is where the hardcap kicks in. The NBA operates on a soft and hard cap.

 

??? You yourself just said the apron is $4M above the TAX LEVEL. Why do you keep using that interchangeably with the salary cap? TAX level means luxury tax line. For teams $4M above the LUXURY tax line, they are considered above the apron and thus unable to acquire a signed and traded player.

Teams only above the salary cap can do so.

 

I believe this is incorrect. The apron is $4 million over the luxury tax threshold, not the salary cap.

edit: pwny beat me to it.

 

Yes there's 3 variations to the MLE but again that's not what we were talking about. In fact, in your response to my first post in this thread you said :

"No they dont...you only get the full MLE if you are OVER the cap. If you are under the cap then you use your capspace. Thats why its called an exception."

So, are you really now trying to say that you were talking about the Mini-MLE or the room MLE all along? Really?

Are we suppose to believe that when you said "full MLE" that you really meant the Room MLE or the tax payer MLE? You said "full MLE" and that is incorrect. You further stated that Miami signed Miller using an MLE. Well, Miller got a starting salary of just over $5M so you really couldn't have been referring to any MLE other than the full MLE, right?

There's no dishonor in making a mistake. Refusing to admit your mistakes is a different story.

In general, if someone mentions the "MLE" then it's the full MLE. The Mini-MLE is the tax payer version and the "Room Exception" is the Room MLE.

 

"21. What is the "luxury tax?" Why does it exist? How is it determined? Who pays it?

The luxury tax is a mechanism that helps control team spending. While it is commonly referred to as a "luxury tax," the CBA simply calls it a "tax" or a "team payment." It is paid by high spending teams -- those with a team salary exceeding a predetermined tax level. These teams pay a penalty for each dollar their team salary (with a few exceptions, see below) exceeds the tax level. The tax level is determined prior to the season, and is computed as follows:

For 2011-12 the league and players association agreed to use a figure of $70.307 million for the tax level."

Linked to that is:

"In addition to the tax payments described in question number 21, taxpaying teams have the following restrictions. Note that most of these restrictions aren't triggered unless the team would be over the "apron" -- the point $4 million above the tax level -- following a signing or trade.

Starting in 2013-14, teams cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 89) if their team salary is above the apron at the conclusion of the trade."

So no, the team would have to be at like $74M (assuming luxury tax line stays at $70M) to be considered above the apron and unable to get a signed and traded player.

 

Guys the apron is the point $4 million above the tax line

 

That is what we are all saying. $4M above the tax line means $4M above the luxury tax line, not $4M above the salary cap, i.e., $58M vs. $70M thresholds.

 

Per the Coon faq (#'s 21-23):

Tax level: $70.307 million

Note that most of these restrictions aren't triggered unless the team would be over the "apron" -- the point $4 million above the tax level.

 

No the luxury tax line is not the same as the threshold ... Not sure what you are arguing with here


So your saying that as long as a team is only above the 70 million? Not the salary cap/tax line (beginning of luxury tax) ?

That doesn't make any sense

 

If that were the case nearly every team in league can do sign and trades including the lakers with small moves

 

Tax line and tax level aren't the same thing

 

Wait what? All we are ALL saying is that a team cannot receive a signed and traded player IF they are above the APRON, which is $4M above the LUXURY tax line. You kept saying $4M above the SALARY CAP. This is incorrect.

For example, if this rule had started this yr, a team that was $4M above the salary cap (say at $65M) COULD still receive a free agent in a SnT, but a team above the apron (say at $75M) could NOT. For example, LAL will most likely be above the apron next season.

 

You quoted something where "tax line" was not used at all. Both said "tax level." I'm sorry, if that will make you feel better, pretend I am saying "tax level" every time you read "tax line."

Neither suddenly mean salary cap.

 

No it's not its the same thing

Salary cap is 58 mil the tax line starts at above 58 mil

It's just saying the same thing what matters is the amounts

It's 4 million above the tax line which is 4 mil above the max of the salary cap as well

 

I'm done this isn't worth my time lol... Geez

 

Let us work with numbers then. Salary cap = $58M, luxury tax level = $70M. Where is the apron? lol

 

You guys are confusing the tax line (begining of luxury tax ) with luxury tax threshold

Between those two things are millions ...

Point I am making if the rockets sign Howard and are no more then 4 million above the tax line...or 4 million above the cap... Then they can still do snt