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[Eastern Conference Finals] Miami vs. Indiana

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., May 18, 2013.

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(1) Miami vs. (3) Indiana

Poll closed May 22, 2013.
  1. Heat in 4

    7.1%
  2. Heat in 5

    23.2%
  3. Heat in 6

    28.3%
  4. Heat in 7

    8.1%
  5. Pacers in 4

    4.0%
  6. Pacers in 5

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Pacers in 6

    16.2%
  8. Pacers in 7

    13.1%
  1. TJ VS TR

    TJ VS TR Member

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    Thanks Ray, no exciting game if he didn't choke.
     
  2. RoxBeliever

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    Hindsight: Vogel should have played Hibbert for defense in the endgame. He would have slowed down Lebron's drive and in 2.2 secs, passing off to Bosh might've been too late.
     
  3. TheGreat

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    False.

    "If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor. If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation."
     
  4. RiceRockets

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    I think you're going to have to get over it... don't care which team wins myself and I didn't think it was a travel or one-way officiating and you're the only one I've seen saying otherwise.
     
  5. Aleron

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    on the final play of regulation, before his dribble, george receives the ball with his right foot down, he then hops onto his right foot again, then puts his left foot down, and then finally dribbles, the hop is always a travel.

    However like always they never call it.

    And if you look at the plays all through the game these sort of uncalled travels are a common theme, the only time they will call it is when you are actually using the foot to pivot prior to the dribble, they never call it if you're in motion rather than stationary.
     
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  6. albuster

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    This mind-boggling move by Vogel to take Hibbert out in the last seconds was done even in the previous series and the same results in the opposing teams making lay ups. This is when Vogel can learn a simple statistical fact from Morey, a lay up has a higher percentage of going into the basket than a jump shot from a distance. How simple is that Vogel!!
     
  7. Shaud

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    People still whine about travel calls even though it isn't called nearly as much as it should be?
     
  8. Aleron

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    it's basically vernon maxwell syndrome, believing that a player's defense is actually better than it is, whilst not realising that in a lot of ways it's a byproduct of what comes after him limiting the options of said player.

    In simple terms, it's the help defense stupid.
     
  9. J.R.

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    Where did all the Heat fans come from? Ha.
     
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  10. Firebomb525

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    I think they became fans in 2011. Not sure what happened that offseason...hmm...
     
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  11. albuster

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    call it what you want but if the penetrations keeps happening over and over again, even in the previous series, but you still keep doing it, then that is the definition of stupid, and stupider still is someone who calls somebody else stupid when you don't even know the person who you are calling that. What you call a "by product" is exactly what it is in a different context. How many times did LeBron try to get in the lane when Hibbert was on the court?
     
  12. DonatasFanboy

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    He was overconfident in George's ability to keep LeBron in front of him for a second. I guess shame on him, he shouldn't take that risk.

    But Vogel could teach all of us about those statistical facts. The Pacers defense is built exactly on the same principles that the Rockets offense is based on - challenge in the paint, chase off the 3pt line and screens, don't help off the 3pt line, allow long 2s if necessary. Vogel is an extremely Morey-esque coach, despite a few mistakes.
     
  13. pacertom

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    I think it was a bad decision, but with Roy Hibbert in there, chances are that:

    1) he would have been guarding Bosh.

    2) In that case, Bosh would almost certainly have set a pick for Lebron,

    3) the Pacers would have switched as Lebron caught the ball,

    and 4) then Roy Hibbert would have been on Lebron James 17 feet from the basket.

    Thus Roy would not have been the rim protector, he would rather have been the guy being driven past. Then the question would be whether Paul George would have left Bosh to double on Lebron as soon as he caught it.

    Hey, we will never know, obviously, but the Heat could easily have put Hibbert in a position such that he would not have been the rim protector.

    What was the right thing to do, then?

    I would have had Roy in there but have run a second guy at Lebron as soon as he made the catch.

    Such double teams are not "what the Pacers do" but I will take my chances with Lebron having to making a clean pass, a guy catching it cleanly, the guy shooting a J without feeling rushed, and then making a 20 footer.

    All of those factors taken together would have made it less than a 50-50 shot IMO, even if relatively open.

    But it was a hell of a game. A gut-punching ending though. 18 ties, 17 lead changes.
     
  14. VBG

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    Paul George screwed up defensively. He played insanely well on Lebron up until then but he messed that possession up.
     
  15. VBG

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    wtf paul george...
     
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    for an All-NBA defensive team player, George sure escorted LBJ to the rim like Jose Calderon.
     
  17. joe101

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    Only watched most of second half and OT. Other than their shooting, Cole did made a few key assists down the stretch and Battier's hustle got them extra possessions late in the game also.
     
  18. cheke64

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    He looks sharp. Brings early 90s nostalgia. Pretty soon mainstream
     
  19. Easy

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    Hibbert didn't have to guard anyone. He just needed to guard the basket. It's a one point game. The one thing you absolutely would not want to happen was a layup.

    You still would have four guys guarding four guys. (Leave the inbound passer. If Battier beat you with a rushed long jumper, you could live with that.) They only had time to make one pass.
     
  20. Aleron

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    and yet it was all the fashion in 16th century japan
     

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