WTF were you expecting to see from a Star Trek movie? smh at these people who criticize the film for being exactly what it was intended to be...
So probably no more Star Trek for the rest of this decade Even then, I doubt they'll get even half the cast to return. Then there's the writing and director that won't live up to this two Trek movies. So many variables.
It's fine to not enjoy a movie, but it's ultimately a subjective movie-going experience, right? In this case, I just feel like the negative reviews that you read online come from a place of inarticulate anger and not one of thoughtful criticism. They remind me of people who get fired up about politics but let their visceral emotional reactions take the place of a meaningful dialogue. Unless you represent your criticisms well, you wind up looking like a cinematic misanthrope. If you hate everything all of the time, think about that. I'm the biggest Trek fan I know (Trek>>>Wars, attend conventions semi-regularly, own all the BluRays, have never experienced the love of a woman) and I can't compare the series with these movies. These movies could have been a boring emotionally shallow CGI disaster, and even if they borrow a lot from previous movies, it's forgivable because of the parallel history concept. With the amount of Trek stories that have been told across the hundreds of episodes and a dozen films, how could you tell a completely original story anyway? Even the show stole from the show. And sometimes the show was bad! I felt feelings throughout this movie, and if you hated it, so did you. "KAAAAAHHHHHNNNN" for me was more like "KAAAHAHAHAHAHAHNNN" but what a blip on the radar. Cumberbun seems like a powerhouse in his prime. I look forward to seeing what he can do with his talent.
So was Admiral Marcus in the right here? Spoiler They painted him as a bad guy, but I think he was right to try to eliminate KHAAAAAAN at all cost. I can even understand him willing to destroy the Enterprise along with all of its crew. A small price to pay for the death of a genetically engineered superman that has the capability of conquering worlds when he has his full crew. So what if they would start a war with the Strapons or whatever. The war was imminent. Plus the Strapons seem like a barbaric, ruthless race anyway. Spoiler I don't know why I started a new spoiler, but what was JJ's reasoning in not having an Indian play KHAAAAAAN? Should I assume that KHAAAAAAN got plastic surgery 300 years ago?
Spoiler My guess for the second question is the same answer for why they used an actor from MEXICO CITY to play an Asiatic - because he was a damn fine actor, and he transcended the role. So also with Cumberbatch. After watching it, can you think of anyone else who would have done as magnificent a job? Very few, if any, and honestly, although I am not very 'up' on Indian cinema, which Indian actor(s) could have performed the role as well? I am not against the idea, I just don't know of any. As for the first question, Marcus was in the wrong because his moral compass was corrupted. Murdering innocents is inherently morally wrong, and if it is EVER done, it can only be done in a situation where there is absolutely no alternative. As Marcus' preparations for a potential war evolved into actually trying to bring the war into being, as well as murdering hundreds of innocent people, he became 'the enemy', just as dictators always do when they become willing to sacrifice the innocent merely to advance their own plans. Just my $.02 Good questions!
The first ST reboot established the characters and the second one explored ST's best story arc. I was hoping for new story arc. I am now wondering what story arc retread will be used for the third.
Lol did I offend you by talkin down on your favorite movie? It sucks guys. It looks cool, star trek nostalgia. Nice. Good. I get it. The movie sucks
I don't agree, Jontro. I think the core cast is signed up for at least one more movie, maybe a couple of more movies, and if J.J. Abrams doesn't end up helming the next one, there's no reason a terrific replacement can't be found. After all the best Star Wars flick was directed right after the original by someone other than Lucas, and while some were concerned about it, that film was the best of the series. Maybe we should wait and see what happens before flippin' out. ;-)-
Saw it last night and I thought it very good and very entertaining but there are a few things that really bothered me about it. Spoiler First this is something of a pet peeve and not limited to Star Trek but this really seemed to stand out in this movie. Starfleet is a vast organization and is based on Earth yet there was almost no resources to deal with crisis except for the Enterprise and her crew. For instance the Enterprise and the Dreadnought fight a space battle within the Moon's orbit of Earth yet no other ship shows up to participate in the battle, on either side, or to try to prevent the Enterprise and the Dreadnought from crashing into Earth. It would be the equivalent of two US naval vessels fighting a battle off of the east coast with them both about to crash into NYC and no Coast Guard, Navy etc.. even bothering to do anything. This got even worse when Harrison / Khan crashes the Dreadnought into San Francisco. Somehow the Enterprise can monitor his movements including seeing him jumping off of the bridge of crashed ship but no one in San Francisco does a thing. This guy is the most wanted man in the Federation who's face has probably been plastered around as much Osama Bin Ladin's right after 911 just crashing a ship into a major city that also has the headquarters of the military organization hunting him. Yet no one there sees him jumping or does anything as he is running down the street. It's left to a crippled Enterprise and her crew to do something. Understandably this is for dramatic purposes and it wouldn't be good for the story to have some random future SFPD cop take down Harrison / Khan but the extent of the uselessness of Starfleet, SFPD and the 23rd C citizens of SF just seemed absurd. Another thing that bothered me about the plot was Spoiler Did Admiral Marcus know that Khan's crew was in the torpedoes? If he did why then did he want to shoot them at Harrison because the cryotubes took the place of the fuel for the torpedoes so if they were shot they wouldn't actually make it to their target. My impression was that Khan hid them in the torpedoes to help get them to freedom without Marcus' knowledge but then it seems like Marcus knew they were there and were planning on having the Enterprise firing them to get rid of Khan and his crew. The next thing is something that bothers me about Abram's reinterpretation and fealty / or lack of to Star Trek background. Spoiler It is very clear that Abrams is a Trekkie and putting in such small references like Tribbles and Section 31 shows how stepped he is in Trek Lore. When it comes to Trek Tech though he takes huge liberties with it and for reasons that just seem forced for strained plot points or just set piece shots. Such as hiding the Enterprise underwater. In the original, the movies, and The Next Generation, it was always clear that the Enterprise wasn't meant to enter an atmosphere let alone go underwater and land. It didn't seem necessary to do so when they could've used shuttle craft for the same mission other than to get a set shot of the Enterprise taking off from the water and surprising the natives. The next was Harrison / Khan using a transwarp transporter to beam halfway across the Alpha Quadrant. There really didn't seem much point to that when he could've used a ship and anyway having such technology pretty much removes the needs for having ships. If Adm. Marcus was really worried about the Klingons he could've just beamed photon torpedoes onto their homeworld. The interior design of the new Enterprise also bothered me. While it looks cool and futuristic and conveys how big these ships are it is horrible from a functional standpoint. There just seems to be so much empty wasted space, such as having a multistory atrium in the middle of the ship that looks like a shopping mall, for what is supposed to be a very functional exploration / battle ship. While the original series had extremely limited budgets the layout of the bridge, engineering and sickbay were elegant pieces of functional design that have been studied by the US Navy for ship design. The JJ Abrams' Enterprise on the inside just seems vast, wasteful, and confused. Regarding the characters. Spoiler The acting was pretty good and Cumberbatch definitely delivers. Alice Eve as Carol Marcus didn't really seem to belong other than as eye candy and the character didn't really add much to the story. Now I am not complaining and saying she shouldn't have been there as I can appreciate eye candy but her acting and that character just seemed to be very weak.
Saw it in Imax 3D and I enjoyed it even more than the last one. I had one main issue with it though: Spoiler Cumberbatch did an excellent job but the fact that he didn't even closely resemble the Khan from the original Star Trek bothered me. It wouldn't seem to make sense that he would be younger like the other characters since he was from 300 years in the past and I understand that him looking similar would've spoiled the plot more in the trailers, but it still just didn't feel right.
All the spoilered things you mention bothered me as well, judo. I'll add these: Spoiler The Enterprise was trapped deep in Klingon space and finally made a warp jump, chased by Marcus's super ship. Blown out of warp by it, the Enterprise just happens to amazingly end up 200,000 kilometers from Earth. That's as rediculous as arguably the most powerful planet in the Federation having nothing in space in near Earth orbit with which to respond to an obvious dire threat, as you point out. Khan makes what amounts to a cellphone call from the Klingon homeworld directly to Earth, an ungodly number of lightyears away, without any regard to physics. It seems that Scotty invented "transwarp telephoning" in his spare time. Spoiler If you check the original Star Trek episode in the TV series and look at Khan's age then, Cumberbatch isn't that far off at all. It's the later film involving that character that shows him so aged. In this Trek universe, that flick and its plot never happened. Having said all that, I still enjoyed it very much.
Not getting all the hate here. I LOVED it. Thought it was better than the last one and I really liked that one too. If its your type of movie, or you're a Trekkie, go see it ASAP before you get spoiled, cause i'm almost positive you will be on this one.
I enjoyed it too and have been enjoying Star Trek since the 70's. I agree with TheresTheDagger: Go see it before you get spoiled. I put off looking at anything about the show so all the little reveals were nice surprises.
Spoiler I just watched Space Seed for the first time in years last night, and I was surprised by how young Ricardo Montalban looked in it. Its easy to overlook the original Khan and just remember him as he was in the movie, which as you said, he is much older. I wont get to see this till it comes out on DVD as I dont go to movie theaters anymore, but I dont mind reading about it now.
Hardly, if anything I'm the target audience since I've been a Trek fan since I was a kid. I enjoyed some of the performances especially Benedict but the movie just didn't impress me as much as I expected. I have no problem with redux of classic characters but some of the twist and big dramatic moments were telegraphed in a pretty obvious manner. It's just my opinion but that's all I have.
