If he squeezed the end-product some more before sending it on to his editors, he'd cut his revision phase considerably. I started "A Feast for Crows" and I gotta say, he coulda told the first 200 pages in about 140 with no diminishment in power. I love long books, too---see also, "The Wheel of Time"---but damn, dude, enough with the: That morning, Cersei sat at the great oaken table, alone in her chambers, still smelling of last night's tumble with Lancel. It was true, Lancel was no Jaime, but Jaime wasn't the same man since he'd returned to King's Landing with a stump in place of his right hand. Didn't he understand that it was his other stump she craved? deep breath, roll eyes, turn page) She methodically chewed her Grape Nuts (trademark, all rights reserved) on which she had splashed but a little milk. The milk tasted mildly rancid and she would have made a mental note to kill the maid who had brought it to her but she was instead mulling over last night's incredibly long and unimportant-to-the-outcome-of-anything dream. Perhaps before she killed the maid she would have her send out for some fresh milk and some of Tommen's Cocoa Puffs (trademark, all rights reserved)....
Spoiler I can only image the writers did it to help support her soon to be demise and the viewers will be more willing to let go of the character. Keep in mind in the book, a lot of details are short handed in the show so they many not completely understand her end. Instead, they just made her a b**** from the beginning.
The defining Tyrion self-revelation is the story where he married the supposed w**** - the first person that he slept with. His entire family is disgusted by him. Tyrion's life prior to her is completely devoid of any true affection. His whoring and drinking is almost a form of self-loathing - every w**** he pays for sex is a tacit acknowledgement that that is the only way he will have any sex. It absolutely makes total sense to me that he would be completely in love with the first person that expressed any real affection for him. And it also makes sense that all of her whining and carrying on would draw him in. That sort of drama is like manna from heaven for someone who has only experienced revulsion. I get that you don't like her. Especially when you take into account the drawn out nature of the weekly episodic format, her character seems like death by a thousand paper cuts, but I think his attraction to her makes total sense.
Actual book spoilers Spoiler I hate the way it makes Tyrion look, but the way they are handling Shae will make more sense when she eventually betrays him in court after Joffrey's death. And it will work much better when he kills her after that. I can't stand the actress and I hate the way Tyrion behaves around her, but I think I will like it better next season because in the books her betrayal felt very much out of left field.
Except that haven't really shown her as having true affection for him, just him for her. Her concern for Sansa has been illustrated on screen much better in my opinion.
Fixed. I put quotation marks around "actress". Sybel Kikelli, the woman who plays Shae, while attractive enough, but so wooden that she makes Keanu Reeves look like Marlon Brando in his prime.
I was b****ing about deviations from the book but Martin isn't the perfect writer and they have fixed some of the plot lines. Edric Storm was ****ing useless when you had Gendry, so its better they used him I don't know what GRRM was thinking introducing that many characters anyways. That evil dude being Karkstark's son/b*stard w.e is also a lot better than Ramsey Bolton even though the whole Reek thing in the book was a cool twist. Overall I am satisfied with HBO. Better than I could have hoped for!
annoying the inconsideration of people who have read the book, i thought this thread was supposed to have died, i guess i misunderstood the use of the other two threads
If you think the torturer is a Karstark then you weren't paying close attention to the episode where he said he was a Karstark.
I thought she was quite affectionate when caring for Tyrion after the Battle of Blackwater. I get that she is whiny, but it comes off to me as "we're in love so now I'm going to nag you" whiny.
If she really was in love she wouldn't still be charging Tyrion for her "services". Their relationship just hasn't ever been convincing as a situation where either one of them should love the other one. Ros would have been a more pleasant w**** to keep around. If he is going to have to pay his woman for her company, it should at least be pleasant company. It would be more understandable if Tyrion was trying to woo her and she was just a servant or some other low born occupation, but since she is a w**** who he is paying, he shouldn't be the one having to always explain himself to her.
I don't recall any evidence that Shae is being paid. I guess she's being paid in the clothes and stuff that Tyrion buys her. But if that's what you're referring to, pretty much every woman in history is a w****.
I don't think she's still charging, and she is also serving as a handmaiden for Sansa as well. I doubt she would go through all of that trouble unless she was just tired of whoring. Her acting is much better in her p*rn by the way.
Can't stand it either. And now every time I read the book I can't stop picturing him and his whiny attitude as Jon Snow .
If she wasn't getting paid she wouldn't be his w**** any more. They made the deal when they first met about how much she would be paid and the conditions around their relationship and they have never said anything to indicate that has changed. If it had, I'm pretty sure they would have made it clear, but Shae keeps referring to herself as his w****.
In the last episode Tyrion tried to give her enough gold that in his own words would allow her to buy a ship and sail away from Kings Landing if she wanted. She turned it down because their relationship is no longer a business transaction and to except the gold would reduce their relationship back to a business relationship. She refers to herself as a w**** because that is essentially what she was when he began her relationship. A "Kept Woman" is a more accurate phrase for her than "w****", however one might argue that a "Kept Woman" is no more than a w****.
