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[Books] Game of Thrones Book Series Discussion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Xerobull, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Firebomb525

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    I know man. It seemd to be turning for th better. If Robb had just marrie the Frey daughter., would this have ever happened?

    I remember now that you bring it up. The wolf head king (Talk about messed up. GRRM has no mercy once he kills off a character)
     
  2. crash5179

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    I think Tyrion will end up with Casterly Rock. I agree with those who think Jon is not Ned Starks son but the son of Leanna and Rheagar.

    I also don't think Jon is dead. GRRM made a comment in an interview a year or so ago where he said something like, "Who said Jon was dead?" and then refused to add anything else to his comment. I also don't know if his comments mean much because he has always refused to answer if the Dancing Master really died in book one, but he most certainly was killed.
     
  3. desi tmac91

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    No chance this happens at all. If anything Jon and Dany will be on opposing sides plus they just aren't compatible at all. Jon is into girls like Val and Ygritte, not the kind Dany is and does anyone really think Jon would marry the girl that refers to his father as "The Usurper's Dog"?

    I think Dany will get the iron throne (assuming its not destroyed) but the 7 Kingdoms will be broken up. For example, I think there's a good chance we can see the Vale/Reach/North breaking off and uniting under the KiTN. If anyone has read The Great Northern Conspiracy over at Westeros, there is STRONG evidence provided that the northern lords are planning a coup and their would-be-king is intended to be Jon.

    Not necessarily crazy but unintentionally could be the antagonist of the series just as she unintentionally became a villain in the eyes of Meereen. That twist screams GRRM.
     
  4. oelman44

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    Just thought of a scenario. Daenerys takes the Iron Throne at King's Landing, but Jon Snow (Stark now) is declared King of the North, and Jon's throne is at one of the Nights Watch's castles, so he doesn't have to give up his oath. Daenerys then shows he crazy sides, as she uses her full grown dragons to attack the north, and ends up burning down/melting the wall. With the wall down, the wights invade the realm and all hell breaks loose. And boom, Dany is the antagonist.
     
  5. Phillyrocket

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    I'm pretty sure Syrio is dead:( The kingsguardmen who went after him Trant I think was still alive after the confrontation so it stands to reason he killed Syrio.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Jon Snow was killed, and gets brought back by the red priestess, I'll hate him.

    I would rather he stayed dead than be brought back like that.

    In my ideal world he wouldn't be dead.

    I won't know what the real case is until I read the next book.
     
  7. desi tmac91

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    This I could actually see happening. Not exactly in the way you do but Dany is heavily ignorant about Westeros (hence why she probably wouldn't make a good Queen in the first place because she knows NOTHING about the kingdom she wants to rule) so I can see her having no problem wiping away The Wall if it came to it because she doesn't have the slightest clue what The Others are.

    I think Jon will be KiTN but his final chapter in ADWD showed that he pretty much gives no ****s about his oath (The Wall doesn't get involved in wars/politics and Jon was ready to charge to Winterfell) and so if becoming King allows to help defend The Wall better, and it would because of the man power, he'll go through with it. I'm not even expecting the Night's Watch to be around at the series' end.
     
  8. desi tmac91

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    You're not alone there, I disliked his 'death' too and wish it didn't happen. Either he's not really dead and the chapter was just a cliffhanger or he's actually dead and will be brought back to life. No chance whatsoever Jon is 100% dead until the final book.
     
  9. K mf G

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    so now that the red wedding has happened in the series,

    it was still hard to take, it makes me wonder about stoneheart, if they do use her it was setup perfectly, it's going to suck having to wait until the end of next season to see her,

    jeyne westerling's character becomes unimportant i had the thought that at the end somehow she'd be reunited with the stark's since it was possible she had robb's child

    finally rickon has moved on from bran as i was wondering if they would write off the scene where davos was employed, for a lack of a better term, to find rickon, the speech that lord manderly gives about how the north remembers was pretty awesome
     
  10. smr6

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    I really hope the show goes on to reference Frey pies in some way! Of course its just a theory so we will see.
     
  11. K mf G

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    please elaborate, i dont remember frey pies
     
  12. Cannonball

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    There's a theory that in Dance With Dragons, when Wyman Manderley went to Ramsay Bolton's wedding at Winterfell, that he killed 3 Freys (who were came with him from White Harbor), baked them into pies, and served them to the Freys and the Boltons.

    The evidence is that Manderley reveals to Davos his hatred for the Freys and Lannisters. He sends the 3 Freys ahead of him (because he's fat and can't ride a horse), giving them each horses as "guest gifts" which also means they are no longer under the protection of "guest rights". They never make it to Winterfell. At the wedding he serves 3 huge pies, one for each Frey. He cuts the slices himself.

    And most interestly, he has Abel/Mance sing the "Rat Cook" which is about a cook who was wronged by a King, so he kill the King's son, cooks him in a pie, and serves him to the King who later asks for seconds. The cook is punished by the gods for killing a guest under his own roof by being turned into a giant rat who couldn't eat anything but his own young. The song is used to show the repercussions of breaking the rules of hospitality and parallels what we just saw with the Freys and Starks. Walder Frey is the cook who is wronged by a King. He kills the King beneath his own roof after offering him guest rights, violating the rules of hospitality. As punishment, he is served is own children, baked into pies, at Ramsay's wedding. The only problem with that is that I don't think Walder was there, but other Freys were.

    I don't know if there will be any reference to it on the show. Either they'll make it explicit or they won't.
     
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    This would make a lot of sense because they made a point to say that dragon fire is capable of melting stone (Harrenhall). So certainly they could lay waste to the ice wall if they really worked at it for an extended battle.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    As the book goes on Dany becomes more and more annoying

    I think you will have a Stark Child in a position to do a lot of damage

    They were all learning under some impressive teachers
    Sansa will learn THE GAME from little finger
    Arya is learning Assassination
    Bran is learning 4th level wizardry
    Jon is learning. . . uhm . .. death
    Rickan . . .not sure where he fits yet . . maybe King of the North

    I think the Stark Children will end up in some pivotal positions

    I think in the end . . .all houses will have to come together to fight the Wights

    Rocket River
     
  15. morpheus133

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    One of the theories is that if Jon "dies" and is brought back to life then he is technically released from his oath since it is til death. It's also possible he worged into Ghost or something/someone else.

    I can imagine a scenario where Jon and Dany oppose one another more so than getting married though. But I doubt Dany would purposely burn the wall down even if they were attacking a castle at the wall. It has no strategic value if you are attacking from the south and they made it clear that all the nights watch castles are purposely built to be easy to siege from the south to prevent any further night's watch rebellions.
     
  16. RunninRaven

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    It wouldn't need to be on purpose. The poster's point was that she has no real history of the land because of being raised overseas. If she were to go to war at the wall (either with some Wildlings or with the Night's Watch) it might be she sends in her dragons to tear them up ahead of her troops and they melt a huge gap in the wall just trying to defeat the troops that are there. Then the wall might partially collapse in that spot and that's all the White Walkers need to get through and move south.
     
  17. Rocket River

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    I wonder if they will make it that she is extremely vunerable to cold
    since she cannot be burned. . . ..

    Rocket River
     
  18. Cannonball

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    I doubt that. There's only once scene where Jon wargs into Ghost and they completely skipped it on the show. The show creators know what's going to happen in future books. If Jon warged before his death, I think they would've taken the opportunity to show that he was capable of doing so on the show when they had the chance.
     
  19. K mf G

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    i dont think they have shown arya to warg into nymeria, i think they will introduce stoneheart like this
     
  20. Xerobull

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    If they establish that Starks can warg, that will be sufficient.
     

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