Cat look at both Parson and Barnes rookie numbers. Parson Rookie debute: 9pts a game shooting 45% from the field and 33% from the arc. He played solid defense and snatched down 4.8 rebounds a game. Barnes Rookie debute: 9pts a game shooting 43% from the field and 25% from the arc. He plays solid defense and snatched down 4.1 rebounds a game.
How is his rookie seaon disappointing when he is the 4th option pimpn..lol Plus the young man is balling his butt off in the playoff's as we speak...
Extremely narrow and topical numbers. Chandler's PER was 13.3; Barnes was at 11.0. His WS at 3.4, Barnes at 2.8.
A PER of 11 isn't very good, even if you're the 5th option. It's about efficiency. For perspective, Thomas Robinson had a PER of 10.9. Obviously Barnes is better than Robinson right now, given roles, but it's just not what you want from a No. 7 overall pick and a starter. Barnes has played well for 8 games in the playoffs, which is encouraging. But it doesn't change the fact that Parsons as a rookie was superior to Barnes as a rookie, and we now have the knowledge of the tremendous leap Parsons made in his second year. As such, to act like Barnes is a "better value" than Parsons at the moment is ridiculous.
Sorry, just saw this. You don't think Parsons is over Barnes? I think he definitely is. Kawhi is a closer call -- I'd be happy with either on our team for slightly diff reasons, and both are very good. Omer vs. Bogut, you're going with Bogut? I know his later few games have been getting better...but we're looking at everything right? I don't think that is an obvious win. So that means, for example, vs. GS: Curry vs. Lin => Curry Harden vs. Klay => Harden Parsons vs. Barnes => Parsons Lee vs. whoever => Lee Omer vs. Bogut => Omer (esp. in the sense that Omer impacts our team much more and matters a lot more -- imagine our team w/o Asik. GS was fine w/o Bogut for most of the season) Let us say we use our money this summer on some impact player, even if we can't get D12 or CP3. Let us say JSmoove. Then it is Lee vs. JSmoove, where we might come out on top (valued for different things). Hmm... Seems like we'd have a decent chance at beating GS, not setting aside the fact that we did beat them 3/4 times this season...and here we have GS pushing the Spurs in the playoffs and maybe going to the WCF. So many variables, 1 on 1 isn't that useful. Overall matchups matter more. Spurs are getting older too...in a year or two, obviously TD will not be the same, or Manu.
I have put my thoughts out there, and you can't deny the facts. Unfortunately age plays an important role and Parsons is due for a big raise sooner than later. I'm not saying Parson isn't a better player now, but Barnes has better trade value, and it's stupid to ignore all the facts.
I do feel good about a few things: Harden taking a significant role in the rocket's future by helping acquire key players in order to contend. This may indicate that we have successfully got Harden to be emotionally attached with the organization, which goes a long way in showing Howard the type of culture that we foster with our players (players-first mentality). This could be very interesting to Howard as it will make him feel more at home with quite a bit of direct support from the coaches and players. Yes, we do treat our players like assets, but we also provide a great locker room, freedom on the court, and a "fun" game plan.
A thread about Dwight Howard to Houston and we are talking about Chandler Parsons and Harrison Barnes....
The facts are that Parsons is a much better player. Unless a GM is on crack (and Kahn is gone now), they're not going to ignore the clearly superior player because the lesser one is 20 years old, "might develop" and has one extra year on his rookie deal. You would have a point if Barnes had displayed some sort of productivity that makes him reasonably likely of achieving similar value... but the advanced metrics don't show that at all. And no, general managers don't just assume crazy development because a guy is 20.
not to mention on a better contract... serious...harrison barnes wasnt even the best SF with last name barnes this year.
I know Barnes has been playing well but you are ready to say he is without a doubt better than Parsons?
Plus barnes makes a lot of bone head plays...easy to defend cause his offense is limited. He hasnt looked good on the court most of the year. They forced him in there. He gets a lot of really open looks to even have the PER he has for how plays is shocking.
How is those numbers extremely narrow pimpn..lol Those PER numbers are not that far apart either. My thing is both players futures are pretty darn bright. They are not that far apart like you stated before.. But hey agree to disagree..
uhhh...what?? Parson may be the most coveted trade asset in the league at 2 more years 800k. thats more ridiculous to say then barnes is a better player then parsons.
I know! I always get caught up in the sidetrack ignorant arguments...just something in me when I see something that is blatantly incorrect I have to at least try and help a brother out ha
On the contrary, advanced stats put a lot of weight on player age as a major variable predicting future development. Hollinger's draft rater model revealed heavy minutes at young age in good competition is one of the best indicator of future star. Also check all the top draft picks and see if their average age is much younger among peers.
They probably would not want Asik and Morey probably wouldn't trade Asik for Howard. However happen to believe that if Howard leaves them, that they are going to trade Pau and rebuild, including going to the lottery. They're not going to be able to win anything with Pau, Nash, and mediocre role players next season. If they are serious about keeping D. antoni then Pau is not going to fit. Their best move is to trade both Pau and Dwight for as much athletic youth and draft picks as they can. I think there is a great possibility that they go ahead and amnesty Kobe if they can get a guy like Josh Smith on a front loaded contract that decreases in salary and guarantees in subsequent seasons. They then suck next year, playing a bunch of young kids, grab a good young sud in the 2014 draft that fits the Dantoni system, re-sign Kobe for about $10 million per season and see if they can attract one or two of the premier free agents in 2014 to make a run at rings. Not to mention if they dont get their free agents in 2014 they are in a great spot for Kevin Love coming to them in 2015. In my humble opinion if Dwight decides to walk then it really is Jim Buss' baby and Dantoni is his coach and they're gonna build Phoenix North out there. I think they tear the whole thing down for one season to build Dantoni Showtime Lakers. In this scenario, they'll do a sign and trade top get any sort of athletic young prospect. TRob and Royce White plus expiring non-guaranteed contacts that add up to about $16 million would get the job done.
I'm confused too...the extra yr on Barnes' contract at $3.8M somehow makes him now a better value contract than Parsons? Who has 2 yrs left at ~$1M each? Yes, Parsons is due in for a pay raise, but that is in 2 yrs. Howard of course would prefer Parsons because RIGHT NOW his great value contract (one of the best in the league) allows our team to have a lot more flexibility. Two yrs later, we can always sign Parsons to his $9M or whatever and go over the cap. If we're contending for a title then, I think Les would be willing to pay a bit more. Way thinks look now, even signing Parsons and going over the cap won't take us into luxury tax territory.
Sorry about that. The main reason I'm picking at it is that as fans, we need to promote the advantages we have. There are a lot of reasons for Dwight to choose Houston, and we're undercutting our position if we even put Chandler Parsons in the same sentence as Harrison Barnes. Our guy is the clearly superior player, but it's tough to expect outsiders to respect that if our own fans don't. Anyway, with that, back to Dwight talk... sideshow over!
