Although I agree with your sentiment I wouldn't put Barnes over Parsons or Bogut over Asik, especially if you're factoring overall health. We do need to upgrade any of our other 4 positions for another superstar to even be close to deeming ourselves title contenders. If we don't do that this offseason I say we load up on 2-3 year team option deals for the 2nd year and gear up for the 2014 free agent class. In my mind its either boom or bust (CP3 or DH12) or nothing at all.
Thats easy...and it doesnt have to be NO salary just minimal But Asik to Hawks for our own pick back (have cap space) (could move hortford to 4...that would be legit 4/5 combo) Lin to UTAH for no 1 pick (mid range) in next years draft (they need PG bad, they would do this deal, gives them marketing $) T-rob to bobcats for 2nd round pick (1st in second round) We can also deal Brooks, Delfino, Garcia to teams that want to write off their salaries for 2nd round picks Worst case scenarios we give our assets...like 2nd rd picks and such ... would be worth it to get cp3 and Howard. Just like Miami traded beasley for 2nd rounders and gave 1st rounder to okc to TAKE cook from them.
Well Miami can't keep the big 3 together after 2014. The tax would be over $100 million a year They'll have to choose 2 players since they'll all free agents I think. Not saying Lebron will leave but you can't rule anything out.
Prince is past his prime, so I agree with that one; Durant is...well Durant; but as far as the other 2 Chandler doesn't pose enough of an advantage (if any at all) to consistently dominate them. My original statement was not about who's better, or who adds more value. It's about which matchup would we be able to go to and get consistent production and value out of, and as of right now Chandler can't dominate Kawhi or Harrison Barnes night in and night out.
as a Rockets fan sure, Chandler's better. But being objective it's a lot closer than one may think. Harrison Barnes is more athletic, a better dribbler, and a slightly better shooter. Chandler makes better decisions and is more handsome. But I definitely agree he's better right now, I just don't think it is as wide of a discrepancy as one may think.
If we do sign and trade with Lakers then y cant we send Lin, Asik and White for Howard and someone else or Pick 2nd rounder or something. and then we can offer max to Paul and have both of them here. Paul / Beverley Harden / FA Parson / FA Jones / T.Rob / Donuts Howard / FA if this works am not sure if we can get a PF from FA or not. I am sure that we wont have that much cap room maybe to sign smith from FA. what u guys think
This is what I was thinking. If we send the Lakers Asik and/or Lin, it would free up even more room to sign Chris Paul afterwards. This will ONLY happen if we knew for a fact Paul and Howard wanted to come to Houston. But would the Lakers do it? We know Clippers don't want Lin or Asik, as those two positions are already filled, but Lakers would be 100% depleted if Dwight leaves. Do they want to retool their roster with a marketable Point Guard and a dominant defensive Center or do they want 100% full flexibility heading into 2014?
I really wish we can keep asik if this were to happen or at least he was quick enough to run the 4 position. having dwight as 5 and asik at 4 would be deadly if it could work.
Chandler Parsons: PER of 15.3, FG of 48.6%, 3-pt FG of 38.5%, TS of 58.4%, WS/48 of .121 Harrison Barnes: PER of 11.0, FG of 43.9%, 3-pt FG of 35.9%, TS of 52.6%, WS/48 of .065 Per 36 minutes, Chandler averaged more than double the assists (3.5 to 1.7) along with more points, steals, blocks and fewer fouls. There is absolutely nothing close about this comparison, and there is nothing to suggest that Barnes is a better dribbler or shooter. In fact, his handles have been a knock on him his entire career -- it's what prevented him from being a true star at UNC. Right now, Parsons is objectively a better basketball player than Barnes across the board.
I think they should do it. bc its better to get Defensive Center and a Okay PG in return for Howard. bc if Howard sign somewhere else they dont get anything in return and Lakers would be going down hill. and with them thinking in 2014 they can sign Lebron, i dont think he would go to a team which is going down hill. with making this trade atleast they will be getting younger and sticking around to be a decent. so they would be making a latteral move. loose Howard, amnesty Paul. would save them lot of money. and once making the trade they can package Lin and Metta to get either a good player or picks for 2014. to come play with lebron. so i see nothing but plus points for them if they take both of them.
You don't make that trade just to offer Paul the max. You only do it if he's point-blank told you that he WILL sign, no questions asked, and that's a long shot. And even if that's the case, I highly doubt the Lakers will comply with creating the next super team (this time in the West!), just for the sake of Lin and Asik. Their main goal will be flexibility in the summer of 2014, and we'll have to look elsewhere (probably the East) to move those two.
Stretch provision? Never heard of that, cool, that's a good option if we need it. I like the second half of this draft. I think there's some late 1st that could help right away. If we sign Howard I doubt we will need cap space going forward. Thanks Bima.
I still respectfully disagree, I think Harrison's ceiling is a little higher than Chandler's is. And although I appreciate the discussion back and forth, but it's not really the original point of the discussion. The point is that even if you want to say that Chandler Parsons would dominant Harrison Barnes left and right the fact remains the same that our matchups vs the 4 teams left in the playoffs are not in our favor.
Further note on this: If Paul does tell us he'll sign (unlikely scenario, but let's run with the hypothetical), why would we help the Lakers, if they want Lin and Asik? It would make a lot more sense to deal Lin/Asik to bottom feeders or a team in the East... not a traditional Western power that will have loads of cap space in 2014. Dwight has no reason to do a S&T, and I also don't see any reason for the Lakers and Rockets to help each other unless there is absolutely no other recourse. That's why I think it's extremely unlikely.
I think we'd have a very real shot against the Warriors in a series. Harden/Parsons would dominate Thompson/Barnes, and Asik is much steadier and more reliable than Bogut inside. There's a reason we beat them three of four times this year, including both times in Oakland. There's a reason they only won 47 games, barely better than our 45, and had a significantly worse point differential than we did (+0.9 to +3.5) I understand your broader point -- I'm just nitpicking with the Warriors example. I'm sick of people making them out to be some juggernaut. If they beat the Spurs in a series, we can talk, but right now, they're a lower-tier playoff team who had the good fortune of drawing overrated, star-less Denver (and one without Gallinari) in the first round. I'm not buying that their current situation is better than the one in Houston until they prove more.
