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"At the other end, James struggled to get space with Harden on him."

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, May 9, 2013.

  1. basketballholic

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/16847/heat-see-harden-in-superstar-role



    Just sifting back through the season, I always take the barometer test of players and teams on how they play against the best teams.

    This season we were very, very competitive with the Heat. We lost both games but there were both barn burners. In this particular game on Feb 6, we came back from down 17 points and chopped it to 3 before the Heat separated again and finished +6. But we remained competitive down to the end after going down big in the 3rd quarter. In my opinion this was our most impressive loss of the season. Down big on the road in the 3rd quarter against the champions, second game of a back to back, with Delfino out and Beverley not yet in the rotation and we made a game of it. (Incidentally this was the game right after the monster GS game with all the 3-pointers.)


    By the way, we lost to the Heat in November at home by 3. Also a competitive game but much earlier in the season. Went into the 4th quarter with the lead and faded.

    What still sticks out in my mind about this game was Harden was actually defending Lebron at the top down the stretch. My first reaction at that time was what kind of stupid defensive strategy was this by McHale? But then as the game finished I started thinking about it after watching him defend Lebron. I didn't consider that he did a particular great job on Lebron (who possibly could?) but he was up on him, into his body, he was going high around the screens and scrambling to stay with Lebron. He was deterring Lebron, forcing him to dribble and move instead of stand there and scan in the triple threat. It was...very similar to what Jimmy Butler is doing on Lebron now. And realistically it was probably as effective as a single defender can be on Lebron.

    So, that got me to thinking about how ultimately to put a defense together to cause Miami the most trouble. And you know what....it starts with Harden at the top defending Lebron. And it ends with multiple defensive bigs defending the paint and rim...and in the middle are some perimeter guys scrambling on the wings to deny the 3-ball and force guys to step in to long 2-point shots. Harden has the capacity to be a plus defender. He's got the bball iq, the athleticism, the quicks, and the strength. The only issue really with him defensively is how much energy can he expend when he is doing everything offensively? (Another reason why I am a huge proponent of moving him off the ball more and balancing out our offense by having Lin run the top for the majority of the time when him and Lin are in together. He can then dominate the top when Lin goes to the bench.)

    All this talk about James needs to work on his defense, specifically his transition defense........just give the man another superstar and balance out the offense. And let his teammates understand that when he goes to the rim on those all-out drives they've got to balance the transition defense by getting back. You can't expect him to do everything. Yes, he needs to get better. But the understanding and skill set is already there.

    Defensively, Lebron basically lays in the weeds, cheating and helping the whole game until crunch time and then he gets after it with the head of the snake. Whichever opposing player is the source of the Heat's defensive problems, Lebron gets on him at about the 6-8 minute mark of the 4th quarter of a close game and takes him away. Now, while Harden will never be on Lebron's level defensively, it does make a lot of sense for him to be used this way, especially with big playmakers up top like Lebron with the help coming from multiple bigs.

    We saw the same thing in the Thunder series against Durant. We didn't use Lebron but good defense in today's NBA with teams using so much pick and roll and big playmakers starts at the top with pressuring the ball, getting the ball handler to burn up shot clock seconds before he can get into his pick or screen. Chandler and Garcia did that to Durant. Some would say it wasn't effective but I think they were very effective. OKC just hit some shots and got some lucky bounces. Otherwise we may have been back in OKC for game 7 and still be playing right now.

    So I really don't think Harden needs to get better physically at defense. I think it's more of a mindset. He needs the Kobe/Lebron mindset of playing through the fatigue and making plays instead of worrying about conserving energy for the stretch. Just a little better conditioning perhaps a little bit more strength (though not much) and working on his endurance and decision-making end to end and he's there.

    The rest of the defensive adjustment has to come from floor balance, getting another superstar level scorer on the floor to help Harden with the offensive burden, and another elite level defender to provide transition D and help D.
     
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  2. roflmcwaffles

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    I agree on everything till you said "Kobe" mindset on D.

    Kobe takes off SO MANY PLAYS it's not even funny. He makes a few great plays on D, but he gets beat so much.

    It is hard to be a 2 way player for long minutes like Lebron is. Harden is required to do so much on offensive that his defense suffers, and I understand that.

    We need to give Harden some help on offense, and his defense will get better because his legs won't be so tired from doing everything on offense.
     
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    bogus excuse. we really don't need him as much as some think on offense. 26 points a night looks nice on nba. com, but as a team we can generate 100 easily. What we need harden for is the superstar foul calls in the 4th quarter. He can at least try to d up in the first 3 qts.
     
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    It's not the points, it's the amount of defense that gets focused on him.

    If Harden isn't on this team, this team does not score 100 a game, they would all surround/trap Jlin, and the Rockets would suffer on offense.
     
  5. Takeoff

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    ive noticed that its better to have james defend someone stronger than him rather than someone who is quicker.

    Whenever james plays someone who is quicker, he plays ole defense and goes for the swipe.

    but when its a stronger opponent trying to use brute strength to get position or go through him, james is suprisingly adequate, i think mainly because he takes more pride in his own strength on D (he is much stronger than he is given credit for) and thus tries harder.
     
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    I think you're on to something. Harden defending Ibaka was actually not that bad.
     
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    Great article that depicts James Harden's potential to improve his defense during the offseason. We can all agree he isn't playing as great as he was before the all star break, especially after he twisted his ankle against Golden State (i think?).
    The fact is that we have a player who can go toe to toe with superstars from other teams which no other member of this team is able to.
     
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    The myth of Kobe will forever be ingrained in the psyche of the majority of young NBA fans and the media. There's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    That is exactly right. Give him a bigger guard with whom he may have a quickness advantage on. Or at least he's just as quick as. He stayed with Lebron so well.
     
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    Kobe in his prime was an absolute monster on both ends. He never took possessions off. That's what I mean when I talk about the Kobe mindset. Of course, he was being given rest during games. When guys minutes start pushing into the 40s, they are going to take plays off.
     
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    Kobe played much better D when he was younger
     
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    Except that didn't happen for the 4 games Harden was out with Injury
     
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    a loss to the Spurs, a schedule victory against the clippers (final game of 4 in 5 road trip, lotsa fun those) and a cpl **** teams we beat?

    Yeah that'd show what we can do
     
  15. TJ VS TR

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    O come on! It wasn't that bad.

    Anyways, nice OP. I think it's just a case of Harden getting his first taste of superstardom. I think he will mature into a better 'winner' next season. It is also that McHale didn't have a training camp with him to integrate him into his offense. Harden was just playing too many minutes and doing too many things on offense. With Dwight on board, we would have a pretty good defense next season. The last question is, is Terrence Jones going to be good enough as a defender? We know that TRob isn't bad.
     
  16. meh

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    I think high usage players in general should probably guard bigger, slower players rather than smaller, quicker guys. Especially in the Rockets philosophy of being content with giving up jumpshots. With so few post up players in the NBA, the only issue with Harden guarding a bigger guy is giving up rebounds. And that's what Asik(and perhaps, hopefully, Howard next year) is for.

    Although there is the issue that Lin and Harden seems both naturally better at guarding bigger players. May be the reason why Beverley/Douglas were closing out games at times.
     
  17. Jontro

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    Guys... I think we have our future PF.
     

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