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Benghazi: the coverup

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  1. Dubious

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    In your wet dreams
     
  2. magnetik

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    nice try, good effort.
     
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    Benghazi Eight Months Later
    By Sen. Ted Cruz

    On September 11, 2012, terrorists attacked our consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and murdered four Americans, including our ambassador. Eight months later, we have learned some of what happened, but many questions remain.

    This week the House of Representatives will hold a hearing on Benghazi, because we still don’t know all the facts about how we responded during the seven and a half hours of attacks, why we could do nothing to save the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, and Tyrone Woods, and what, if anything, we have done to deter future attacks against Americans by holding the responsible parties accountable.

    What we do know leads to the inescapable impression that before, during, and after the Benghazi attacks, there was confusion and paralysis at the Department of Defense, the Department of State, and the White House.

    Congress has learned that both Ambassador Stevens and his predecessor made repeated requests for additional security during the spring and summer of 2012. Most notably, Ambassador Stevens sent a cable to the State Department on August 15, 2012, expressly requesting additional security because the Benghazi consulate could not withstand a coordinated attack. The requests were denied, but Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, observed in congressional testimony that Defense could have provided all the needed security if State had requested it.

    Strikingly, Chairman Dempsey admitted he “would call myself surprised” that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton testified that she did not know about that cable at the time of the attacks. We also know that the State Department made no request for additional security from the Defense Department in Benghazi in the weeks leading up to September 11, 2012, despite knowing that the Red Cross and the United Kingdom had both withdrawn from the city because of the deteriorating security situation — not to mention the obvious significance of the anniversary of September 11, 2001. Worse, we have been told that no military assets were in a position to respond during the seven-plus hours of the attacks. But, as Chairman Dempsey testified, had additional support been requested before the attack, Defense would have provided it, and it could have saved lives.

    The attack began at 3:42 p.m. EDT. We know that President Obama received a single 10- to 15- minute briefing on the Benghazi attack from Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Chairman Dempsey at 5:00 p.m., during his regularly scheduled briefing. But we also know that the president had no subsequent discussions with either the secretary or the chairman for the duration of the attack.

    Seven and a half hours after the attack commenced, at 11:15 pm EDT, sustained mortar fire killed Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods. Neither the secretary nor the chairman had any discussions with the president at that time, or throughout the remainder of the night. Moreover, the president had no contact with any member of the government of Libya for the duration of the attacks.

    We know that during the duration of the attacks, neither Secretary Panetta nor Chairman Dempsey slept; both remained at the Pentagon throughout the night. But neither the secretary nor the chairman knows if the president slept while our people were under attack.

    While the president was missing in action, there was confusion among the relevant cabinet officers as to who was in charge of coordinating the response from Washington. But we know that from the beginning to the end of the attacks, neither Secretary Panetta nor Chairman Dempsey had any conversation whatsoever with Secretary Clinton.

    We also know that in the aftermath of the attacks, the Benghazi compound remained unsecured — and media reporters were able to access confidential documents — for 23 days because the State Department did not request Defense’s assistance in securing the site.

    We know from their congressional testimony that according to the secretary of defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the director of national intelligence, because the attack on the annex employed rocket-propelled grenades and sustained mortar shelling, there was “no question” at the time that the events in Benghazi were terrorist attacks.

    We know that on September 14 and 15, 2012, the State Department altered the administration’s talking points on Benghazi to eliminate references to “Islamic extremists” and “al Qa’ida,” and instead substituted language about how the incident was a “spontaneously inspired . . . violent protest.”

    We know that at Dover Air Force Base on September 14, 2012, when the coffins of the four dead Americans came home, Secretary Clinton attributed the attack to “an awful videotape we had nothing to do with.”

    And, in the aftermath of the attacks, we know of no effort to mount a counterattack that would deter similar acts of terrorism in the future. In the intervening months, we have seen additional attacks on our personnel abroad, including the attempted suicide bombing of our embassy in Ankara, Turkey, and the brutal attack on the natural-gas facility in Algeria in which two Texans, Victor Lovelady and Frederick Buttaccio, lost their lives.

    What we know today has come only as a result of sustained inquiry by Congress. Officials have been exceedingly reluctant to share information and have insisted that all relevant questions were asked and answered in the State Department Accountability Review Board (ARB) report completed in December 2012.

    “What difference at this point does it make?” Secretary Clinton responded in January to questions about the nature of the Benghazi attack. “Let’s put this behind us,” Secretary of State John Kerry complained last month. Last week, White House spokesman Jay Carney dismissed press inquiries about the attack by saying, “Benghazi was a long time ago.”

    But many more questions remain. Here are a dozen:

    Why was the State Department unwilling to provide the requested level of security to Benghazi?
    Were there really no military assets available to provide relief during the seven hours of the attacks? If so, why not? During the attacks, were any military assets ordered to stand down?
    If the chairman of the Joint Chiefs thought there was “no question” this was a coordinated terrorist attack, why did Ambassador Susan Rice, Secretary Clinton, and President Obama all tell the American people that the cause was a “spontaneous demonstration” about an Internet video?
    Why did the State Department edit the intelligence talking points to delete the references to “Islamic extremists” and “al Qa’ida”?
    Why did the FBI release pictures of militants taken the day of the attack only eight months after the fact? Why not immediately, as proved so effective in the Boston bombing?
    Why have none of the survivors testified to Congress?
    Why is the administration apparently unaware of the whistle-blowers who have been attempting to tell their stories? Is it true that these career civil servants have been threatened with retaliation?
    Did President Obama sleep the night of September 11, 2012? Did Secretary Clinton?
    When was President Obama told about the murder of our ambassador? About the murder of all four Americans? What did he do in response?
    What role, if any, did the State Department’s own counterterrorism office play during the attacks and in their immediate aftermath?
    Why was Secretary Clinton not interviewed for the ARB report?
    And why, if all relevant questions were answered in the ARB report, has the State Department’s own inspector-general office opened a probe into the methods of that very report?
    It is time for some answers. Let us hope that the House hearing this week will finally shed some light, and that the inquiry continues until the facts are fully understood.

    Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, and Tyrone Woods deserve justice, and our brave men and women who continue to put their lives on the line every day in similar, dangerous situations deserve to know we are doing everything possible not only to protect them in the event of a terrorist attack, but also to deter these attacks from happening again. Better late than never.
     
  4. tallanvor

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    Hearings have begun. can be watched live here
     
  5. underoverup

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    just to refresh your memories........

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...aul-Ryan-Cut-400M-from-Embassy-Safety-Funding

    House GOP, Paul Ryan Cut $400M from Embassy Safety Funding

    House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012....Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
    Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
     
  6. Dubious

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    If there is a question that we should look at, it's why an ambassador was exposed in a war zone with inadequate protection. Who was doing the threat assessment for him and why were they caught off guard. (Was it private contractors or US Marines)

    Even at that it's just after the fact and probably has to do with some CIA secrets we will never know.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    I think it is more than if they were just caught off guard. There is some evidence that this was a predictable threat. Also whether it was private contractors or US Marines there is another question about what regional assets where available and how quickly they could be deployed.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    The White House has lied about this very topic many times.

    You just don't care.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>While watching Hicks' testimony, remember Hillary Clinton told a bull**** story about YouTube videos to families of the dead.</p>&mdash; John Hayward (@Doc_0) <a href="https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/332173875259531264" data-datetime="2013-05-00T16:43:18+00:00">May 0, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  10. Major

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    Bob Corker:


    Senate Foreign Relations Committee Ranking Member Bob Corker (R-TN) said Wednesday that he's "fairly satisfied" with the Obama administration's account of events that led to the deaths of American diplomats in Benghazi last year.

    "We need to know were these people culpable or not. If they were, why are they still on the payroll? Other than that, I've been able to read all the cables. I've seen the films," Corker told MSNBC. "I feel like I know what happened in Benghazi. I'm fairly satisfied."

    He cautioned House Republicans to be "respectful" if they probe the issue further.

    "Look, if the House wants to have hearings," he said, "I hope they're done in a respectful way and hopefully it will shed some light on what happened."
     
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    and what about all the whistleblowers that were directly involved in the operations?
     
  13. tallanvor

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    What reasons does Mr. Hicks have to lie about a task force being ready? What reason do any of these military whistleblowers have to lie?

    I can list plenty of reasons The White House would lie.

    Yes, I choose to believe the numerous testimonies of the military officials over Clinton or the White House. Also, it is just common sense that we have tactical teams ready to act in a hurry exist in the Middle East....
     
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    The Clinton family is above lying...

    oh, wait...
     
  15. Mr.Scarface

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    Basically, this is a one-sided attack on Hillary Clinton. This has nothing to do with Obama. This is about 2016.

    Yet,....there is NOTHING really new. Mistakes were made...security wasn't as good as it should.
     
  16. ROXTXIA

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    Kinda kills the credibility right there.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    Again.....Republican witch hunt. NO ONE CARES, except FOX News. Again....Hillary Clinton is no longer head of the State Dept.. The Republicans were hoping Obama personally told someone not to talk......didn't happen. They were hoping for Watergate....lol.
     
  19. Mr.Scarface

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    So...the White House wanted these people to die? Really??? come on now....
     
  20. justtxyank

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    I doubt anyone believes that and I don't recall anyone suggesting it either.
     

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