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Home Schooling Just for Wingnuts and Truants?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, May 5, 2013.

  1. Haymitch

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    3) Was really written badly. I mean kids raised with beliefs such as the poster False mentioned such as the white race is the master race etc.

    I would agree that such poor outcomes by public schools are a problem to be addressed also.
     
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    Interesting. Did you ever consider that perhaps the home schooled children at the university that are a "cut above" may just be the top of the home school group?

    BTW American public schools are generally good in upper income neighborhoods.
     
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    What percentage of American students live in upper income neighborhoods vs mid to lower income neighborhoods?
     
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    I was in a private school from kindergarten to fourth grade, homeschooled fifth and sixth grade, and public school from 7th grade through 12th grade, so I have seen it all. My parents homeschooled me because my sister was sick, and they could not afford the private school. Many homeschooled kids are not sociable because they are extremely intelligent. They just do not know how to handle "normal" people. I advanced through work very quickly my two years of homeschooling and was two years ahead by the time I entered public school. It took a little bit of time to adjust to public school, but the differences to me were not extreme. I was able to make an impact in both academics and extracurriculars such as band and soccer. In my opinion, both homeschooling and public school have their advantages, but I would not mess with private schooling. Private school kids form a bubble and cannot see past their narrow-minded, provincial lives.
     
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    The public schools are so wonderful in River Oaks and Tanglewood that they send their kids to St. John's, St. Thomas and other private schools in the area.

    It isn't because public schools can't be good. We just are doing it wrong. The classes have way too many students with teachers who may or may not have mastery of the material themselves.

    We need smaller classes, more prepared teachers and (most importantly) more parental involvement. Kids may not be motivated without a loving, yet firm, push from home. We need to equip parents with the skills to motivat pe and be involved.

    Yes, this will cost money. However, it is one area where the investment will result in tangible dividends down the road.
     
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    Exactly. That is why it is vip to talk about the 1% and the 99% and why we run our country to create such disparities with educational outcomes being just one example.
     
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    Hey a post we can largely agree on.
     
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    Interesting article:

     
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    Good find. I figured there had to be some actual research on the issue.

    I feel it supports my initial ideas the religious right folks and the disorganized truancy defense types won't do too well at homeschooling
     
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    What was the name of the book that you read that started this thread?
     
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    I don't understand how this supports your ideas. I am sure there are plenty of issues of truancy home school issues. I know a few home schooled kids. They are all religious, some more extreme than others. They all don't trust the public schools in some form or fashion. They are all sharp kids and perform well above the average public school student.

    I don't know of any truancy kids.

    What the article points out is that parents who actively participate in the childs education tend to do much better than their counterparts. If a kid has truancy issues, I would imagine its either because the parent is quite the opposite or the kid is rebellious. If a parent has enough concerns about the public education system or private school system and choose to homeschool, then they are of course going to be very in tuned to a childs education.

    If a parent trust the public education system and just as active in a childs education, then of course you can expect them to perform very well. These same parents won't let their kids go to a terrible public school either. The article points out that a parents active role is a major key, not the method of schooling. I don't think you need a study to point this out though. There is a good reason why poor areas have bad schools. Teachers don't want to teach in them and very often the parents are never around or simply don't understand the importance.
     
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    Sadly this isn't the product of homeschooling:

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    Must be private school.

    Wow, how sad. I almost feel it's all hopeless.
     
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    Interesting book called "Deer Hunting with Jesus". The subtitle is "why the white working class hates liberals". It is written by a left wing journalist who at around 50 goes home to the small southern town he grew up in. Very interesting and entertaining style. Iheartedly recommend
     
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    Because you hate the south, conservatives and religious people. Why wouldn't you love it. I would probably want to punch him in the mouth about six pages into it.
     
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    Maybe maybe not. He has some genuine sympathy for the folks he was raised with and some bad things to say about liberals, too. He returned home to live until he died a couple of years ago.
     
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    The problem in this country is that both liberals and conservatives have something to learn from the other. Nobody on either side wants to admit that or accept what the other side has to offer.
     
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    I can't say I agree with homeschooling but I definitely don't agree with the way some schools are teaching their children.

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    two flaws for the two flaws in that tract...

    a) Mises spends his entire life deriding the methodology behind economics, and now Hoppe uses it to jump on his rivals, even though praxeology or whatever the hell essentially relies partly on values. If leaving the bounds of economics as a positive science is undesirable, Mises is exhibit one for how to do it.

    This argument is based on Hoppe's crazy view (and one that most Mises people share) that costs can't be tangified because everything costs something different for everyone. which is cool, and everything, but I don't particularly think arguing about the mental anguish of anarchists is a good way to go about economic arguments (of course, this is actually a key argument Mises people will employ against Pareto optimal results---they can't ever be because individuals are different little snowflakes, so their costs are different etc.). people are irrational. This is a perfect example. (you will realize post-Keynesians are a bit more flexible on how markets don't handle individual irrationality)

    which ties into---

    no, because consumers are constrained by imperfect information. If you want to argue that Pareto optimal results can't exist because society can't count all the individual costs, I don't know why you would assume individuals can count all of the societal costs of their actions.
     

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