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Chris Broussard stands against Jason Collins beliefs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by kwakmeister, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. cmoak1982

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    Ya I'm pretty sure it's the beginning of the second trimester, maybe towards the end when the body develops a penis or not. I know what you mean as far as chromosones but I'm pretty sure the physiological development is late in the 1st or early 2nd trimester.
     
  2. cmoak1982

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    Ya just looked it up, end of 1st trimester is when physiological transformation begins. Genitals form at that point. Doesn't always turn out based on male or female sperm.
     
  3. robbie380

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    Well it's good you are taking the time to educate yourself. You should also learn that monogamous homosexual relationships are not simply a human phenomenon.
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    No need for back handed compliments . Yes there have been documented cases with different animals, but are very rare and more the exception than the rule. Like I said in every post to each it's own. Be gay I don't care, there are alot of things people can be that I don't agree with. Pro-gay people have the same general defense or offense that if you don't agree with it you are uneducated or too religous or close minded, while there is a bit of that, there is a bit on your side that blindly believes things because that's what your told by main stream population you are supposed to believe. I make my own thoughts not someone else. There is a general protocol to maintain life and that is reproducing. You can't do that with the same sex. That's the basis of my opinion, you can have yours and I'm not going to bash it or try to make you change it no matter how wrong I think it is. I ask the same in return.
     
  5. cmoak1982

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    To add to that, just because that's someones opinion does not mean the other side whichever it is, is more intelligent. I hate that argument, you don't agree with me so your stupid, or alot of people think like me so you must be wrong, well guess what there is alot of people on both sides that think similar. Intellect has nothing to do with this part of the discussion, what you believe is morally or ethically correct is. Whatever you believe as far as religion goes doesn't matter. Morals are what seperate us from other living beings, this keeps us from killing, raping, stealing, lying in most cases. While I don't want to equate being gay to any of those things, I do believe that independently the choices each one makes revolve around what is wrong and right (morals) I just believe it's immorall to have sex with another dude. I do have a few gay friends and family members, we've talked about it and most can't tell me one way or another if it's a choice or born that way, that's just who they are, I accept it I still care for them and would do anything for them I just don't agree with the choices they make, just like if a family member killed someone I still love them but I can't agree with what they did.
     
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    Still didn't answer the question. How do you come to the conclusion that sexual orientation is a choice? It is a very valid question, especially to someone like you who is spewing a bunch of complete BS.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    You're an idiot because you believe in victim-less morals. Modern educated people are past that. Every other moral infraction you stated in this post has a victim.
     
  8. cmoak1982

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    You're an idiot for thinking that there needs to be a victim for it to be wrong. I'm very educated, that has nothing to do with this. I said I wasn't trying to equate the level of moral wrongness. When you lie and no one finds out is there a victim? No, so does that mean that it is right to lie? Stop trying to promote yourself as some sophisticated higher being because you believe differently than me dude. We are dealing in an inexact subject, neither of us truly knows if being gay is a choice or not. You can believe either side and neither can be wrong or right. My opinion is it's a choice and I don't think it's right. What don't you understand about that, I never said don't be gay or if you are you don't get the same rights as humans.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Homosexuality being a choice or not is irrelevant to the fact that the act is victim-less. Withholding the truth to somebody is not victim-less. And yes you are an idiot for judging others on actions that have no negative outcome on others. It is absolutely pointless to have such a negative opinion on something that has no negative consequence.
     
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    Not trying to spew anything just answering posts as honestly as I can. I've explained in several posts that I believe it's a choice from nature. Animals purpose on life is to reproduce and only one way to do that. There are rare documented cases of homosexuality in other species but it is rare. I understand that aspect of your argument but a few isolated occasions don't prove that it is biological, specially if you don't know the circumstances behind it. And who is this you, don't peg me into some preconceived group because I don't agree with you and I won't do the same.
     
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    No your not buddy, you are judging me so where does that put you. I never said you were a bad person if you're gay all I said was I don't agree with it, not judging. Why can't you understand that, If I have to accept what you believe shouldn't you have to in return, or does that make you a bad person because you don't. You are no better than anyone else, just like I'm not. You are allowed to have your beliefs just like I am. Continue with the demeaning and trying to make yourself out to be better then me, it just reinforces the hypocrisy.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Judging someone based on backwards opinions is different than judging someone on sexual preference. Of course you have every right to hold these opinions as long as you don't convert your opinions into actions. Doesn't mean you are right.
     
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    Well you did say...

    I think it's pretty clear there are monogamous homosexual non-human species.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    According to his logic it is morally acceptable to be bisexual then:confused:
     
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    I'm not judging anyone, you've been judging and trying to throw a blanket over everyone against gays. My opinion isn't backwards thinking or old fashioned or conservative, it's my opinion. I'm not some old fart thinking God is going to smite you for being gay, I just don't agree with it. I'm not going to call you names or think I might turn gay by osmosis or any other stupid assumption. Opinions aren't facts so no one is really right if they differ on opinion. So you are not right either.
     
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    Not once have you explained why homosexuality is morally wrong. Can you answer it without involving religious context? And yes you are judging someone if you think an act they commit is morally wrong.
     
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    I put in an edit, opposite. Yes there are some rare documented cases in other species but like I said it's more the exception than the rule. That doesn't prove it's biological, there could be alot of circumstances to lead to those cases.
     
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    I don't understand why you have to go beyond "I'm not gay or interested in doing gay things" into "I don't agree with being gay."

    It seems people are implying things beyond it, so what does that mean when you write that?
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Again, being natural or biological has nothing to do with the act being morally wrong or not. What makes homosexuality morally wrong? Let me help you. For ex: Murder is wrong because you are infringing upon another human's right to live.

    Your turn.
     
  20. cmoak1982

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    First off I've never brought religion in to any post. My morals, I think its wrong to have sex with another dude, just like I think it's wrong to have sex with a child or married woman or animal. Judging someone would imply some sort of declaration towards that person. If you think that because I think what they're doing is wrong I'm judging then so be it, but so are you in the same light. I've never said anything to someone that does something that's between them and someone else. If it's to do with me personally then yes I'll say something because that's my right.
     

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