biology, biology, biology. are you married? do you believe in long term monogamous relationships? because they are diametrically opposed to biological impulse. what do you think about heterosexual couples who don't want or can't have children? nice use of a thesaurus btw
How many people are comfortable walking around naked in front of other people regardless of gender? Maybe I'm just weird, but unless I'm having sex, I prefer to only be naked in private.
If I had spent the previous 30 years of my life under the situation you described, and nothing had ever happened, then I wouldn't have an issue with it. The fact is that high school sports, college and post college, I am sure I have been in a locker room naked about homosexuals many times and I have never once had any problems. So I have no problem using a locker room or shower where there are homosexuals.
I'll publicly say it shouldn't matter what I prefer, but I won't tell you what I prefer and what I get up to because this is the ******* internet, and all of you are too far away for this to even matter to me. people here that post about their sex lives or alleged sex lives...what the f**k is the point lmao
Totally bogus. Most men would have a problem with other men seeing their wives or daughters naked. That's why people who are into that kind of thing are considered to have a fetish. Edit: Regardless, I've managed to take it off point. It's not really about whether you had a problem with it or not, it's that your wife probably doesn't want other men looking at her naked and it isn't likely that she's afraid any man that sees her naked would rape her.
the true colors of some of these posters have truly shined in the last 24 hours. so for anyone arguing that it's no big deal to come out as a homosexual in professional sports, look no farther than the moronic claims and statements in this very thread. apparently there is still a long way to go to achieve acceptance. there's one thing I still don't get about homophobes. yes homophobes. they fear gay people. they fear that that gay man will jump on them in the locker room or the shower. don't you get it? there are already gay people in locker rooms and showers. there are already gay people in professional sports. there are already gay people in the military. there are already gay people in boy scouts. schools, hospitals, universities, etc... it's only when YOU find out they are gay that you begin to fear them. it's only when YOU have the knowledge that they are gay that you worry about showering with them. when these people come out of the so called closet, they do it knowing that everyone else's perception of them changes that very moment and they have opened themselves up for the ignorant responses from their teammates and coworkers seen here.
I don't think people are really worried that a guy is going to jump on them in a shower and rape them. I think that kind of statement is used by irrational people on either side of the argument.
What posts are you referring to? Pls show me these homophobes in this thread you speak of. Do you mean people who think homosexual acts are immoral?
If I have to look something up in a thesaurus in order to convey my thoughts, then I, personally, have no business writing. But nice snark anyway, troll. Marriage is a social contract to give material support the perpetuation of the species. It is intended to hedge the biological impulse to plant seed, then scatter. Its soundness as a concept is universal within humanity.
follow my point. if others are going to keep going off on butt sex, surely you can follow my hyperbole for moment. I'm talking about the classic locker room argument, how showering with a gay man will make all the sensitive manly teammates uncomfortable. were they uncomfortable showering with the outed gay man before? the discomfort lies in the person who just found out something about someone. the gay person didn't change. do you think I'm referring to your posts talking about butt sex? or those who knowingly state homosexuality is a disease, or abnormal? keep in my mind, when I think of homosexuality, I don't automatically think of sexual intercourse. I don't automatically assume any two men have even engaged in sexual intercourse. or two women for that matter. why is it always about butt sex?
No less an authority than the Supreme Court has argued, several times, that marriage is more than procreation (though of course the conservative justices retreated back from that tentatively in oral arguments with Boies and Olson). This should be plainly obvious, especially in an age of declining fertility, and it should be an irrelevant argument with advances in donor insemination and adoption practices that would make gay couples more than capable of creating life and sustaining it.
Except those expressing discomfort aren't talking about their wives and daughters and naked they are talking about their own personal discomfort with showering with a gay guy. I understand these are related but they are somewhat different since then we are talking about familial roles and gender roles. To answer your question head on though at the gym and the beach I have seen parents take their young kids of both genders to shower naked and in the locker room of the opposite gender. One thing I've noticed about these type of debates is that the ones who express the most disapproval of homosexuality seem to fixate the most on butt sex and showering.
I have no idea what the hell you are referring to. That's why I asked. I still don't. Do you think because i wrote 'butt sex' that I hate/fear gay people? Well obviously homosexuality is abnormal. What percentage of the population do you think is homosexual? neither of those imply hatred or fear. Nobody hates someone with a disease (not that I think homosexuality is a disease). So I ask again, what post are you claiming is homophobic? Who are you preaching your moral superiority at? Because the conversation was about Broussard's comment. Broussard (and many others) believe homosexual acts are sinful. This of course leads to you and other posters screaming 'bigotry' for some reason.
Wasn't it people in support of gay rights that brought up the shower situation in this thread as a way to attack?
Totally bogus? No your premise is "bogus". First asking if I would have an issue with my wife or daughter showering with a male is not even comparable. A REAL comparison would be whether I would have a problem with my wife our daughter showering in the same locker room as a lesbian and the answer is.... No, I would have no issue with that. Why? Because my wife has showered in the same room as lesbians her entire life. Your entire premise is obviously flawed. Concerning the "fetish" angle... you said it had nothing to do with sexual attraction, then you throw in "fetish".... it seems like you may have issues on this. I do not care if they are homosexuals in the locker room. It is not something I think about or care about. I am in the locker room to get clean and dressed.
How Ironic!!! You have expressed your atheist views very adamantly and yet you regress to using a fictional character (since the Bible is pure fiction) to defend your point of view. Oh what a wicked web we weave.... ......... ......... .........
I find this probably the most disturbing post in this thread. It is masking cultural bias and paranoia with psuedo intellectual thought. The idea that homosexuality will subvert the biological imperative is laughable given that homosexuals make up a small minority of population. That further ignores the fact that homosexuals do procreate. For example in ancient Greece homosexuality was far more accepted than it is now and the Greeks didn't go extinct. What is more disturbing is comparing homosexuality to alcoholism and schizophrenia as both an asocial and medical disorder. Homosexuals for the most part are fully functional participants in society and the example that a gay guy like Jason Collins could be successful enough to play in the NBA shows that there is no inherent disorder preventing homosexuals from functioning in society. Bottom line is whether you approve morally or not of homosexuality it is not undermining our biology or society. Widespread acceptance of homosexuality is certainly a cultural change but our society has survived much greater cultural changes and come out better for it.
You are absolutely right, and that is why couples that cannot have children should not be allowed to get married. Further, if a married couple does not have children by the time the wife reaches menopause, the couple should lose their right to be married.
Look, I don't care if a gay guy is in the lockerroom. My point isn't that they shouldn't be in there, my point is that it doesn't make someone a bigot to be uncomfortable showering with people who might be attracted to them. I managed to get myself way off track trying to make the point so let me bring it back. Do you think a girl on a girl's softball team that is uncomfortable with a man showering in there with her is a bigot? I say no. You are right that men have showered with gays before, but so what? If they don't they are gay it wouldn't impact the comfort level.
I've only skimmed through the thread so I don't know exactly who brought it up but it does seem to be more of a concern for those who don't approve of homosexuality. For the record I know for a fact that I have showered with gay men and have had gay teammates and people I've coached in Judo, for those not familiar a sport that requires very close contact. I've never felt uncomfortable or that any of them were trying make sexual advances on me.
