Can we have a serious discussion about Jeremy Lin?

Absolutly right. Every Rocket played badly in game one. Harden and Parsons
shot below 40%. He played well in game two and should not have played in game three (His arms were not moving in correct alternating rythmn when he was running). If this is a serious discussion I'm Michael Jordan.

 

God sakes man, is it just in your guy's nature to try to deflect any criticism Lin gets to Harden and McHale lmao.

How did Lin perform in our last reg season game? 4/14 28% FG. He played great right? I guess compared to the playoff series.

Never mind every other third game he's been complete **** and lost his minutes to Beverley, a player getting paid a tenth of his salary.

 

Mark Cuban said that Lin was fearless when he was interviewd by Charlie Rose. He wanted Lin to play for Dallas but Lin wanted to be closer to home.

 

its good to talk about Lin without ppl thinking im insulting their family.
i've been saying all year, signing him was a mistake. he is not even an average starting pg, he's #35 in PER in the pg position(while averaging 33 mpg) in a league with other 30 starting pgs. there are players who dont have good stats but bring intangibles to the table, with Lin you dont even see that. he is too passive and gets his points with a jumper/layup here and there but none of them are in game changing plays or in the moments when the team need them the most.

 

I didn't vote,but I would have said no.

 

Lin's FG% is a bit higher than Harden's and Harden makes more TO's per game and 36 minutes according to Basketball Reference. According to 82Games Lin's defensive rating is higher than Harden's and Parson's By the way Lin's offensive rating according to 82games is higher than Parsons and his "Hands Rating" (how well he handles the rock} is the highest for the team. BTW Beverley's FG% is way below Lin's (Beverley FG% .418, Harden FG%. 441 Lin's .443. Lin's Win Shares are far above the average according to Thecity.com. Sorry your upset with Lin's salary.

 

Horrible post/ just horrible.

 

Jeremy deserves praise for coming out to play with an injury. I want him to succeed,and remain a Rocket. At the same time,I think pretty much everyone, apart from Harden is tradable. Harden has his flaws too,and everyone knows what they are.
We need to surround Harden with another star in the frontcourt,we have no other choice.
If James doesn't work on his weaknesses next year,then DM will be forced to find a replacement.
Hope all our players will step it up as a team in Game 4.

 

PER is a very flawed measure. It increases when a player misses a shot. Hollinger has been taken to task for this by most statisticians and has never answered why this is so. BTW Hollinger the creator of the PER metric is not a statistician. Also, I have heard him speak and he is a great fan of Lin. Thinks Lin is very good. Read his articles.

 

Lin is playing at his max level. Yes he sucks but he is worth it just for the Asian ad revenue and interest he creates.

 

You are right on that Lin's not to blame for tonight.

But why do you think we cannot be a contender with Lin as our starting PG?

Think about the game we beat OKC when Lin was healthy?

Some people on the other thread said Oh, James Harden is not clutch, he cannot be a finisher. Well, I would say this: James Harden will improve, and so will Lin.

 

sigh

its not a perfect formula.

 

Uh no it doesn't

 

I hate every single one of you.

 

Not sure if you consider advanced stats a serious discussion but...

Hollinger's PER (Player Efficiency Rating) is the best attempt at ranking players by combining all their stats.

Weaknesses:
may inflate players who play limited minutes
may inflate players going against second units (doesn't account for quality of opposition)
very much offensively skewed (some of the best regarded defenders have had very poor PERs)

Here's Hollinger's reference guide:

A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0

Lin's PER for this season is 14.9 which makes him a "Pretty Good Player" in the NBA
Average NBA salary is about $5.15m. This year Lin makes about $5m (same as next).

So going from these stats, one could say Lin is a Pretty Good Player who makes about average salary.

Lin had a terrible first 2 months this season and had a very good final 2 months to end up with average stats. I would speculate he can improve more next year and he has tremendous upside due to what he showed in NY and his relative inexperience but this is my opinion.

Please stop with the nonsense of he's a scrub and not worthy of a starting PG position or that he is a star player - neither are true according to this year's stats. I hope Morey doesn't make player decisions like some of the knee jerks in this thread!

 

Look, lin is not a good fit next to harden, plain and simple. Beverly is and needs to get his three point shot sharpened p. lin needs to be the designated scorer/sg off the bench. He can then play his game.

 

15 makes you average or mediocre. He is the very definition of mediocre. He has two or three good games and has two or three bad games. He lacks any sort of consistency.

He needs to improve his shooting and dribbling. He needs to to make sure he doesn't pick up his dribble and he needs to have a plan before he just starts attacking the basket because sometimes he just gets stuck with nowhere to go.

 

It's funny how the Rockets are like a poor man's Thunder. Beverley is Westbrook, Harden is Durant, Lin is Harden. (and I guess Parsons/Sefolosha Asik/Ibaka?)

 

I think the one thing we all can agree on is that Lin would have better stats and look better if he was playing on a traditional NBA team, with real offensive sets, was actually playing the PG position, and had half decent bigs that could finish plays. There are literally 25 other teams in the league where this happens.

 

Lol.... Touché

. " why would anybody reasonable fault him for not playing because he was hurt" ( and so obviously hurt)

How I should have started that