Please elaborate. I studied this in undergrad so I want to see why you think Ali was so wrong that you jokingly blame his health problems as to why he said this statement.
The information was in a classified government database called TIDE. No one knew what the Russians or the FBI had said about him. As for self-policing, I don't think it's stupid to ask Muslims not to report a suspicious person within the community, just like every reasonable American should about anyone according to Criminal law doctrines and statutes. I'm not sure how familiar you are with legal doctrines, especially with omission and duties owed to report this kind of activity. That being said, families ratting out their own loved ones is impractical for national security. Too much conflict of interest. Same goes for Muslims self-policing each other. There needs to be an efficient, centralized, and neutral observer. This problem will not go away soon. More surveillance will help. Big Brother will tranquilize your anxiety with Islamic extremism, bigtexxx.
the dude made his own religion. in Mein Kampf, speeches, and other events he did make mention of his belief in a 'Providence' and 'Fate', to which many attributed to Christianity. However, he completely disregarded the Jewish roots of Christianity, and completely disregarded the ethics and morality behind Christianity. He belived that Christianity was something holding back Germany from its true power. But he also saw it as something that could control the masses. So he simply took it and reshaped it with Nazi beliefs. After all, he was deeply inspired by the writings of Freidreich Nietzsche.
Hitler's religion was Hitler. He realized he could not use Christianity to his advantage so he planned it's demise. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/w...es-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all False. Not a historian I take it? I am certainly not, and even I knew this.
ALLmuslims are obviously not terrorists, and nearly all of them wouldn't do something like this, but I agree with bigtexxx. This is obviously a problem. Like DD stated earlier in the thread, there are way too many loopholes, which is why some people eventually convince themselves to do things like this. Islam culture is completely different from western/american culture. Clearly this causes some people to get pissed off and take matters into their own hands. Combine this with the loopholes in the religion..I can easily see 1-2 people convinced that stuff like this makes them a martyr etc etc. Something that worries me-- These guys were citizens, in the country for a good amount of time, and they still did this, with homemade bombs (that are apparently easy to learn to make online). Really makes me wonder how many people could have been sent years ago and are still planning something like this. Another thing I find comical how many of the hardcore muslims are the first to say it was a set-up. Even if it was (which I don't believe), then why is the kid shooting at the cops, etc.
Based on the young ones admission, and then what his mother said, I don't see how anybody could think this was a setup.
And yet, the catholic church* never excommunicated him. And then shielded Nazi war criminals after the war. He may have planned it's demise (much like he planned the demise of everything not "the Reich"), but in the interim he used the church. And the church acceded. /derail *Note that the catholic church is the easiest to pick on, but protestant churches were equally guilty
Hitler's religious views weren't so cut and dry. Hitler claimed he was a Christian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
Tough luck. There are a lot of things that would be nice to have. You may consider it a problem, but harsh truth is: it's not Muslim responsibility. It's the responsibility of people who believe in terrorism. Unfortunately those people see this as a solution and not a problem. There is nothing that is going to convince regular Muslims - who are ideologically distinct from terrorists who call themselves Muslims - to do everyone a favor and police an ideologically foreign group of people who are radicalized via the malleable label of Islam by the actions of people YOUR ideological brethren won't police (that's an understatement). What you're asking for is a favor - and from people who you are happy to see systematically abused with a total disregard for "collateral damage". How about you show some good faith to Muslims, and then ask them for this favor? I can tell you that if you're waiting for Muslims to imply ideological congruence by policing these people, you're going to be waiting a long long long time. There is no shortage of people raised poorly who believe in revenge and have seen American weapons reign down on their family and friends, destroy their countries and demean their culture. Muslims don't want anything to do with those sickos, regardless of the fact that many of them happen to be born into Muslim families and loosely call themselves Muslim too.
Talk about going off on tangents. I'm referring to the people like those who worshiped alongside Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the Boston mosque. Yes, there is a police force in place in the US to help defend and protect. It sure would be nice if others would help out. I guess that's too much to ask? This mentality of yours is helping me to understand why the integration of Muslims in Europe has gone so poorly. By the way your attitude could use improvement. You might want to try Xanax or something to help balance yourself.
It's way too much to ask. Those people who went to the same mosque were not aware, do not share his beliefs, and do not have any responsibility whatsoever to defend everyone from terrorism. Sure, if it was obvious, and they could stop it, then maybe you could make the case. But outbursts at any religious institution are common, so these guys had nothing to work off. If the people who went to school with him daily and the people who raised him didn't realize, then the people who saw him 5 minutes each week were certainly never going to be able to help. I don't do drugs, but thanks for the offer. What my attitude has to do with Muslims is beyond me, other than I assume it suits your racist rhetoric to label anyone who disagree with you a Muslim or a Muslim sympathizer.
A common diversionary tactic is to bring up something completely off topic and then demand the other side disprove it. It's a sign of inability to defend their own position. Don't fall for the Hilter trap, folks. It's a red herring.
Bull****, I can't believe no one has called you on this claim. I would hardly say outbursts are common. Certainly not disruptive outbursts. Joyful amens and such yeah but not defiant outbursts.
I can't say whether you are wrong about there being outbursts of disagreement in the mosques in your native country (though I am surprised to hear that it is "common" for these ultra conservative mosques to have members yelling out in disagreement) but it is not common at "any religious institution." I've never heard a person in a church shout out in the middle of a service because they disagreed with the preacher. Never. Not one single time. They may go talk to him afterwards or mumble under their breath, but I've NEVER see a church service stopped or paused because a preacher had to have an argument with a member who disagreed with something he just preached.
