[NEWS] Explosions near Boston Marathon Finish Line (UPDATE: MIT/Watertown shootout w/ suspects)

they didn't

 

I don't know because all the links I see online are on conspiracy websites that link to pictures on their own servers.

 

This is absurd

 

Yes, he is 19 and likely a weird mix of hormones and insecurities. He still has to account for his actions and for his lack of actions... He made many decisions to escalate the situation even after the bombing when he could of stopped it all.

I don't agree with the Miranda thinking by the FBI and DoJ, but Miranda is fundamental and if he realizes that, he doesn't have to say anything and they can't make him talk (unless they go the torture route I guess).

 

any updates since he got caught? Did he die in the hospital or what?

 

It's not hard to rationalize why a certain government is bad to younger, unhappy, or uninformed people. Just look around, plenty of adults are probably posting on your FB about it and how they believe it.

 

Serious condition, wounds to neck and leg is all I have seen.

 

take with a grain of salt.. could be photoshopped.. maybe someone wants to do the sleuthing

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looks kinda strange to me.. chronologically it isnt making sense

 

Relax. Just smoke some weed.

 

This... I never been into conspiracy theories, but this doesnt smell right

 

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they rely on the premise that government is far more competent than it actually is.

 

government for the public isnt capable of these things..

this is the super-covert side of the government, which is capable of anything

 

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I understand those concerns, and the discussion of whether the scope of the Public Safety exception is going too far or not over time is a legitimate discussion.

However, I would argue that at least initially, the use of the Public Safety exception in THIS particular case is completely reasonable.

1. Actual crime committed.
2. Evidence indicating the potential for unexploded bombs and hidden weapons.
3. Possibility of accomplices who may at this very moment be attempting to go to ground or execute another attack.

By definition, this is why there IS a Public Safety exception. The discussion of whether the use of the exception is going beyond a reasonable scope is one that is worthy of having, however, THIS particular case, in THIS particular scenario is NOT one where this should be even vaguely debatable.

Now, if they don't Mirandize him for an extended period of time, that's an entirely different situation.

As for the prosecutorial point of view, I understand the hesitance. However, the Government's FIRST responsibility is to ensure the safety of it's citizenry. IF that means there may be a situation where some of the evidence becomes inadmissible due to overstepping the bounds of the exception in the name of preventing imminent danger (bombs, accomplices), then it is a reasonable use of the exception.

We sometimes forget that the justice system isn't solely centered around the maximum efficiency of the prosecution. It is centered first and foremost around protection of the public.

We cut deals with criminals to take bigger criminals off the streets. And we exercise the public safety exclusion to ensure that imminent threats are addressed in the best possible way and *hope* that the appellate courts view it as a reasonable use of judgement in terms of the admissibility of evidence.

As for your own experiences with the Public Safety exclusion, that you are hesitant to exercise it is Exactly why it is meaningful. It is NOT supposed to be a catch all in terms of admitting evidence obtained without Mirandizing suspects. It is supposed to exist at the fringes, used in only those cases where there is a clear threat to the public and not when it is convenient.

As with any tool, some will try to stretch its scope. Others will feel the scope is too large. In the end, if it goes too far then we would hope that the Supreme Court will further clarify as necessary.

Until then, it's seems more to be hand wringing at the erosion of our open society. Not an illegitimate concern, but not one that seem relevant to THIS particular case at THIS particular time.

 

you give them way too much credit.

 

I respect your opinion but believe that in this case it is debatable, especially on the issue of whether the information gathered should be admitted in a court of law. There has been a clear attempted expansion on what is and is not covered under the exception. The court ruling on the issue of admissibility of evidence is VERY narrow and was by the closest of splits.

We will just agree to disagree. You do make good points though. At this point I wonder what harm there is is giving him his Miranda rights, everyone is aware of them anyway, which was not the case in 1980.

On a side note Lindsey Graham wanted to go even further and suspend the Constitutional rights for the suspect... which is scary.

 

the government you're talking about is the one we see on a daily basis.

the real force of capitalist government has all the strings.. money talks.


see: economic hitmen, covert espionage

 

I would say that this would be a calculated risk to some degree.

What is the first thing that a defense attorney tells their client? "Tell them nothing, admit to nothing, do not help them."

In most circumstances it's an accepted risk in our system of justice that sometimes this will hamper investigations or even lead to an inability to obtain crucial evidence as a trade off for protecting individual rights, however when there are imminent threats the measure has to be different.

When human life is directly at risk, the hampering of an investigation in order to protect the public should take priority in my opinion. And if that means that some evidence may be at risk for the prosecution, it's something that I think most citizens and law enforcement can accept.

A pound of flesh is great and all, but not if it comes after a mountain of bodies.

 

No, you take it to the D&D. Pronto.

The Hangout is not for looney conspiracy theories / political agendas, etc.

This the news thread.

Thank you!