Everyone should stipulate that Pat is better than TRob at present. He has 3 years in the league. Of course he's better. But the trade wasn't about this year, it was about the future. It's foolish to argue that trading Pat hurt us dramatically just as its foolish to say TRob is better than Pat right now. Just as its foolish to say TRob wont ever develop into a good player. given where we are, I'm glad Morey got a nice piece for the future or to use in a trade that will help us.
^good post 1. 2Pat is better right now 2. Doesn't matter considering 2Pat is average and is not much of a difference maker on a nightly basis anyways 3. Robinson is a future bet
The team is better without Patterson. Addition by subtraction. Trob was just an added perk. The combo of Greg smith and terrence jones are better for this team than Morris and Patterson. They rebound better, defend better and can actually do things with the ball in their hands. They aren't statues who can only catch and shoot baseline jumpers and corner threes.
The amazing part is that TJones is giving the Rockets more in his rookie season than Patrick ever gave the Rockets his entire time here. He's a good guy though and I wish him well.
We do suck against Memphis without a stretch 4 like PPat. They defend the paint too well, we need to be able to shoot them to death. I think our only win against them this season was when we had our stretch 4 rotation.
That is a BS statement and this is coming from someone that was never a Patterson fan to begin with. The team is missing him or missed him in the short term but our younger bigs are developing a lot better without him taking the minutes, which is best for the team in the long term.
Aruba, Here's where you and I seem to differ: It's in how each of us view Robinson's performance. You appear to see Robinson's performance as simply a matter of being a rookie and therefore he is reasonably not as good as a 3rd year player. Thus, you seem to think that how bad he has been will have little correlation with how good he will be in the future. I, on the other hand, would note that Robinson is not just bad as compared to a third year player, he has been bad even compared to other 21-year-old rookies. Also, I would note that data suggests that being as bad as Robinson has been as a 21-year-old rookie does mean something negative for a player's future prospects. Specifically, since the year 2000, there has been 153 NBA rookies who entered the league at age 21 and played 1000 or more minutes in their first season. Thomas Robinson's TS% ranks him 150st among these guys. His ORtg ranks him 151st. His Win Share per 48 minutes ranks him 151st. His PER ranks him 131st. http://www.basketball-reference.com...comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48 There has been a few guys who were ranked near where Robinson was on the list who later became solid starters (and some who had nice rookie year output who didn't amount to much later on), it is much harder to find success stories in Robinson's statistical neighborhood than it is to find them near the top. Perhaps more worrying is this: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinth01/shooting/2013/ Thomas Robinson shoots 53.4% at the rim, 27.3% from 3-10 feet, 27.1% from 10-15 feet, 37.3% from 16 ft-3 line, 0% from 3. Basically, it's not just that he isn't much of a jump shooter (which is highly fixable), it's that he's a below average shooter from every distance on the court, particularly within 10 feet of the basket, where 80% of his shot attempts have come from. http://hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx Couple this with the fact that Robinson turns the ball over in nearly 20% of his possessions, we are talking about a guy who is significantly less efficient than even Omer Asik was in his Chicago days. It's hard to imagine how a PF who is undersized and has problem finishing around the basket at the NBA level would dramatically become above-average in that respect (I don't recall anyone who did, feel free to share if you do)-- and if he does not become at least close to average at finishing around the basket, then he really doesn't have much of a ceiling.
No doubt, and he may end up being a total bust, but one thing I do like about T-Rob is that he has a chip on his shoulder, and after watching a bunch of Kings videos and workouts, he seems to put in alot of effort in getting better. Just might take him a little longer. He's different than a Gerald Green or Ricky Davis, who were all athleticism, no effort. You have to admit though, he's got Pat beat in the athleticism department.
Current Rockets or GTFO! You've had 2 months of whining, NOTHING is going to change! we're about to play playoffs so get onboard or get out.
TJones was the first Rocket in 11+ years to have 5 blocks and 3 steals in a game. The last one was Eddie Griffin in 2002 and Hakeem did it 1999.
Is this really a 48-page thread? Patterson is better than Robinson. Robinson has had a poor rookie season, which made him available. Patterson is probably going to end up the better player, but that's not a certainty. Patterson is probably never going to be better than average, dime-a-dozen type. Morey made a judgement call that a team which struggles to attract stars must take unusually high risks to potentially end up with the same calibre of players as the Lakers or equivalent. If we ever wanted to get a Patterson level player back, we could try our young guns. If that fails, every single day of trading season we have the option of acquiring a mediocre player at the salary level that Patterson was going to demand. It's available, all the time, every season. Pat will be available even cheaper than that once he hits the open market with teams who don't care what he's given to the Rockets. Moreover, if there is any time to take that risk, it's the season(s) right before you expect to become a contender. We didn't give up a shot at homecourt, contender status, finals, top seed, nothing significant. In hinsight, it could have bounced us out of the playoffs, but Morey correctly predicted we would make it without Pat and Morris. There is absolutely nothing to complain about. The minute the trade happened, Morey would have admitted that Patterson is likely to be the better player for the foreseeable future and has a great chance of ending up the better player. This is a pill he was willing to swallow. He is not blind to this. He knew it could very well backfire, but he was willing to take the loss. You may have disagreed with him then and had valid points, but with where things are, you have to say the guy made a great calculated decision which has not ended up as a best case scenario (TRob blowing up) but we have not lost anything significant. What on earth else is there to discuss after we have clinched a 6-8 seed and Patterson hasn't exceeded our expectations?
We traded him for the future. But if we made the second round would trading away patterson still be worth it?
Clutch can make me GTFO if wanted. If you have so little interest in talking about the trade, then why even make a post now and not just talk about another topic-- plenty if discussions going on about playoff seeding, Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverley and James Harden, etc. Read and discuss whatever topic you want. Easy enough to skip over threads or posts on topics in which you have no interest. Of course some people's interests are to serve as self-appointed internet police. If that's your interest, then carry on and be well. And "current Rockets or GTFO"? Guess tinman should be banned for talking about Hakeem, Ralph, Cassell, etc.
I agree with you Carl. When I come on here I don't post in or just stay away from threads that don't interest me. I hate the guys that post in threads just to say how much they hate it, or to talk bad about other people posts. Now that's stupid. If you don't have any substance to add to the discussion, just stay away.
