Isiah on Harden and Lin: Could be the best backcourt in the NBA

Felton is playing well in Woodson's system. Lin is playing decently in McHale's system. If you were to choose one to be a ball dominant PG, I think Lin has shown he is more capable than Felton to raise his game.

 

Only starting PG

Lin is ranked 15 PG to me(with no Rondo or Rose)
Lin Per 36
2012-13 24 HOU NBA PG 79 79 2544 5.4 12.1 .444 1.2 3.4 .339 2.9 3.7 .789 0.5 2.9 3.4 6.8 1.9 0.4 3.2 2.8 14.8

Felton is ranked 28 PG( in front of only Hinrich)
Felton per 36

2012-13 28 NYK NBA PG 67 67 2280 5.9 13.8 .426 1.5 4.1 .358 1.6 2.0 .789 0.8 2.3 3.0 5.8 1.5 0.2 2.4 2.0 14.8


You do understand Lin takes 2 less shots to reach the same point total, which means he's a more effective shooter

Lin avg. 1.0 more assist, while having the ball less in his hands then Felton

If you ever watched a knick game,Felton is one of the worst defensive PG's in the league , while Lin is at least on the avg.

I've watch some Knick games this year, close to the end of February Felton was shooting 39%, what Woodson did was take the ball out his hands and give it to J.R Smith more, then they started to lose and Woodson put Prigs into the starting Lineup, which made felton a 6 foot SG and let Prigs run the offense because felton has a tendency to shoot too much = 13 game winning streak, with melo playing great too

but you just look at feltons 14.0 points , lins 13.3 points means they're the same player, even though i put up the advance stats to show that Lin is better than Felton at everything but TOV%( which you choose to ignore)

If you want to debate Lin vs Dragic vs Lowry and say they are all close to equal, that i can understand

Felton is 29 year old Below avg shooter , avg 3pt shooter and a bad defender with decent court vision

 

How is that pimpn,,,really, Felton can raise his level play as well. Ive seen that as well.. And agreed both are playing good in the roles that they are playing on their prospective teams. As you can see I said they are pretty even.

 

Ive watched ever Rocket game and Lin is a below averaged shooter as well, very inconsistent. He have his moments but you and those lil stats not going to tell me that he is better....Plus Lin is not a shut down defender either, why you think Beverely is inserted a lot in the games. Be real here bruh.

Plus I am not going off of stats along, I watch both cats play. The Knicks are balling because of Melo and Smith balling out of control, not because Felton was replaced in the starter line up a few games.

Oh yeah you do remember the start of the season right, Lin was shooting at what % from the field and behind the arc..Lets see u pull those stats out ya bag..I will end wait.

 

No you're not. You're a troll, nothing but a troll who feeds on people's postings...

 

@TheLastPope :::: Do you think Lin is better than these cats ahead of him. Let see if you can put down you blind fandom for a second and be 100% real in your analysis. And by your definition since Nate and Isiah Jr. plays less minutes than Lin they should be better if they played the same amount minutes right...IJS


Jeff Teague 79 33.0 14.7 5.5-12.3 .451 1.1-3.1 .362 2.5-2.9 .881
12 Goran Dra 76 33.5 14.6 5.2-11.7 .443 1.1-3.6 .316 3.1-4.2 .747
13 George Hill, 75 34.5 14.3 5.1-11.5 .445 1.7-4.6 .369 2.3-2.8 .825
14 Isaiah Th 76 26.6 13.9 4.7-10.5 .445 1.4-4.0 .353 3.2-3.7 .878
Greivis Va, 77 34.4 13.9 5.6-12.9 .435 1.1-3.1 .343 1.6-2.0 .805
16 Brandon Kn,73 31.5 13.4 4.8-11.6 .412 1.6-4.4 .371 2.2-3.0 .739
17 Nate Robin 79 25.3 13.3 4.9-11.3 .436 1.7-4.3 .404 1.7-2.1 .796
Jeremy Lin, 79 32.2 13.3 4.8-10.8 .444 1.0-3.1 .339 2.6-3.3 .789

 

I said Lin is an avg. defender , where did you get elite from

so lets throw away all stats that lin is 90% ahead of felton because your eye test shows that there the same

I was giving credit to Woodson because felton was shooting dreadful and he adjusted the lineup to give him less shots, and to make him become a more effective shooter

Lin in november
November 34.3 3.8-10.1 .373 0.7-2.7 .263 1.9-2.4 .794 4.5 6.4 0.4 2.0 2.1 2.9 10.2

he played like **** in november

Felton in april
April 7 36.1 .443 3.4 5.9 0.3 1.3 2.6 12.1

shooting more effective because the ball is out his hands


Lin in April
6 35.8 .464 2.7 8.0 0.2 0.8 2.7 18.2

more effective because the balls in his hands more

Bev has finished 8 games out of 39 he's played in(discounting blowouts)

6 of the games Lin was shooting under 38%(Bev outplayed him)
2 games were coaches decision( nothing wrong with coaches using there gut feeling)

TS% = 2 point shooting/3 point shooting/freethrow shooting
TS% above .550 is good

if you had to choose between

Player a
TS% .540

Player b
TS% .503

you wouldnt choose player A

 

my opinion over LIN

Teague = good passer /decent shooter /i like his defense , so yes/is slightly better than Lin
Hill= best defensive pg with a DWS over 5.0 hell yeah
Thomas= more of a shoot first guy then passer/ doesnt turn the ball over, but has a neg. defensive rating( one of the worst)toss up becuase of bad defense. his size doesnt help
Vasquez- yes better shooter and passer/ same defender
Knight=wow he is having a bad year/Ortg 99/Drtg 111/ -12 on the court is really bad so no, hope the kid turns it around, he does play hard,Knight has Bev's motor without the defense and is a bad shooter, still really young
Robinson-LOL i refuse to answer that ( i would take TD over Robinson)
Dragic is a toss up/ has a slightly better offensive game but his defense is suspect

For houston scheme and what Harden needs next to him

Teague-yes
Hill- hell yes
Thomas- yes love his 3PT shot
Vasquez- no guy needs the ball in his hands more than Lin
Knight - no/bad shooter & defender
Robinson - no/bad defender
Dragic- no, not a good spot up 3PT shooter/below avg defender

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

I implore you to go to this site, because just looking at offensive output doesnt tell the whole picture of a player(there are no real good defensive stats , but some of the advance stats are telling to a players impact in the game

 

Wish it was said by anyone other than isiah Thomas lol

 

again here, Felton just a tool to agitate lin fans, nothing worth discuss about.

 

i love putting up stats , only time ive got agitate is when somebody compared Harden to Ellis

 

Like I said before that Felton and Lin are pretty much even, bump those stats and look at the actual game. All those players that I posted are pretty much the same tier. You do know what that means right, 1st tier, 2nd tier and so on. To me all those are 2nd tier players. 1st tier players are the Rudy Gays of the league. You can swap both players ( Lin and Felton) and you will get the same damn result is what I am trying to point out to you and the rest of these cats that thinks they know basketball. You can tweet any expert and they will tell you the same damn thing.

 

Ninja please, become a Rockets fans 1st instead of just being a fan of an individual and then get at me.

 

shoot, felton is basically equal to cp3. felton only scores 3 less points than paul! 3!!

signed,
boxscore guy who pays no attention to flow of offense.

 

I have a question. What do you mean when you say that he's a below average shooter. I agree to a point, but are you saying:

a) since he had a bad shooting percentage at the beginning of the season, any improvement since is irrelevant?
b) his 40% from 3 (this is clearly unimpacted by drives upping his shooting percentage) in the past 3 months is not accurate?
c) gut feeling?

Just asking. I also think he has a ways to go in terms of shooting, but I disagree with I guess your final assessment of Lin as I'm more high on him than you are on this, irregardless of his shooting. Or actually including his shooting.

 

bwhahahahahahah boxscore guy real funny joker......

Neither Felton or Lin is nowhere close to being on CP3's level..But good try , I give u a D for the effort though...

 

@TheLastPope: Are you watching the Heat/Buls game right now...What you say about Nate again??????

 

He shooting have improve some over the course of the season indeed. But he is still below average IMO..You dont have to agree, all good. We will see how much he improves next season. And lets see what he will do in the post season as well.

 

Who do you consider above average shooters?