I have not seen every post by Aruba, but I've not seen him refer to Lin as a scrub or heard him say bad things about Lin's potential. There are guys that prop up Beverley just to hate on Lin, but there is a lot who bash Beverley just to prop up Lin. The Rockets have two very high ceiling PGs. That isn't to say they reach it. I think Lin has a much better chance to be a top 10 PG as he has a rare playmaking skill. As much publicity as Bledsoe gets for LAC he's been the second best backup PG since Beverley entered the league.
That depends on how you define best. He is definitely one of our most reliable players. You can always rely on him to come in and make his presence felt in some way.
That's really debatable. I'd also throw in Andre Miller, Jarret Jack, Nate robinson as better backups so far...
I was just teasing because I've seen a lot of arguments about sample size regarding Lin at the beginning of this season. I agree that Bev has shown great athleticism, very good pressure D, excellent nose for loose balls and rebounds, and a good 3 point shot. I love it his hustle and laugh out loud when he blocks a taller player. I think he needs to improve his ability to orchestrate an offense before he has the ability to become a starter. Still, Bev is a great find and still has plenty of room to grow.
Wait who is talking about Lin though? Like lets try & stick to the topic here. I agree with the notion that Bev has a lot of upside & yes I also agree that he will get better, much better but he does not have top 10 PG potential. Like it is easy to be a lockdown defender when you come in & play ten minutes a night. But you can't just assume that a player will be able to maintain that defensive tenacity, while having to carry a greater offensive burden & when playing as a starter against other starting guards. Like that is silly. And at the rate that Beverly fouls players? He wouldn't even be able to stay on the floor. Something that a lot of people don't realize about Beverly is that he isn't very high on the scouting report. So it is very easy for McHale to toss in Beverly & say pressure this guy, & likely Beverly will be succcesful at it because teams don't know much about him compared to guys liek Harden or Parsons. But it is totally different as a starter when teams know your tendencies & how to exploit them. Like Aruba you have said some silly things on this board (that you would take Brandon Jennings on this team, or that Gay was a better player than parsons) but I swear this is the most egregious thing I have heard you say. Curry Parker CP3 Russ Rose Rondo Irving Deron Conley Holliday Like these are in no particular order the top PG's in the NBA. Like to think that Beverly will ever be on there level in the future is nonsense. Ricky Rubio doesn't even have top 10 PG potential to me, but compared to Beverly he is the second coming of Jason Kidd. Beverly is a terrific young player but top 10 PG potential is just silly. Like Beverly is 24, he is a very old rookie in the NBA & the PG position is the deepest position in the NBA. Pretty much every NBA team has there PG of the future except for Dallas, NY & Utah. Like would beverly start over Felton in NY, James or Collison in Dallas? Mo Williasm in Utah? Even just focusing not on Beverly. I don't understand how anybody can say that based on an career of 636 minutes of playing time as a back up PG any player has top 10 potential. That sample is way to small to come to that conclusion. Like I don't get it.
Those guys are not only better backups but better starters as well. Especially Jarrett Jack. I'm not sure about Robinson though.
Really? Jarret Jack, Andre Miller, Bledsoe all better back up PG's than Beverly. Andre Miller is the best back up PG in the NBA & has been for sometime. Beverly hasn't been scouted to the degree that guys like Dre, Jack & Bledsoe have. No idea how anybody can say that Patrick is the second best back up PG in the NBA. That is just false.
I don't agree that Beverly would be a top ten point guard, BUT top ranked ball dominating point guards rarely win championships anyway so that's a non-issue (Parker and Rondo weren't top Point guards when their teams won championships. But it's not about rather are not Beverly can start on another team and more than likely he couldn't _ but on this team he probably could because this team doesn't require a point guard who has to dominate the ball 90 percent of the time but one who can play well off the ball 50 percent of the time. I think Lin is the better starter for this team at this point but if Beverly improves his offense this off-season, who knows...
Not seen much of Denver, but he compares very well to Bledsoe and Jack. He's the most efficient scorer of the three. Not as good a defender as Bledsoe. Not as good offensively overall as Jack. A nice mix, though. Granted, he's played a lot less minutes, but those minutes have been good outside a couple of bad patches. Who else is so feared as a rebounder from the PG spot that he can force the opposing team into a game winning goal tending? :grin:
So the guy who has 636 career minutes under his belt compares favourably to the Bledsoe's 3782 minutes, & Jacks 16,946 minutes? Really. Like I don't know how you can seriously say he compares favourably to them. Like my entire point is that Bev is an unknown commodity compared to these guys. Teams scout Jarret Jack, they scout Bledsoe, you seriously think they scout Patrick Beverly the 24 year old rookie? Like Jack is likely going to be the 6MOY. Jacks has 253 starts under his belt. Like I would take Eric & jack over Bev any day for this team, Bledsoe has a better chance of being a top 10 PG than Beverly does. Bledsoe has 38 starts under his belt at least. We don't even know what Bev looks like as a starter. Goran Dragic showed in the post season that he can light it up as a starter, also showed in Houston that he can have success as a starter but I don't think anybody thinks Goran has top 10 PG potential & yet Beverly gets that luxury?. I like beverly but you all are overrating him like crazy. Top 10 PG potential is preposterous.
Bev is a REALLY good PG off the bench. Those of you who either believe he should start over Lin need to realize how important having a player like him coming off the bench is.
Beverley stans are almost as bad as the Lin ones. Almost Beverley isn't even a Top 5 PG backup in this League. Andre Miller, Jarret Jack, Nate Robinson, Sessions, Bledsoe, You're telling me he's better than any of those players? GTFO lol. At this moment in time Bev is in the same class as players like Evan Fournier and Reggie Jackson. Stop being homers.
Reggie Jackson is a good player who I also think is better than Beverly. I would take him over Beverly. Reggie is a big guard. 6'3 208lbs 22 years old vs Beverly who is 24 6'1 & 185lbs. So yeah Beverly isn't the 2nd best back up PG in the NBA.
No one is saying Beverley is a top 10 PG. No one is saying he should start over Lin. I was saying that his ceiling is rounding out the top 10 PGs. I believe he's that talented. I may be over-estimating how good Beverley could be, best case scenario, but I think he's special and I think he'll continue to get better. And I definitely think he's one of the best backup PGs in the league right now.
I agree, I like him and I really like the motivation and momentum to the team. His attitude is always positive and I've noticed that it makes a great impact on the team as a whole. He can pick up the momentum just like that and he plays all heart. It's not "silly" to say you think he is a good player is one of the best backups or PGs in the league right now for certain reasons but it's "silly" to say he's definitely not and act like your opinion matters overall. That said, I do like him coming off the bench more so though because he gives that impact at just the right time.
Bingo. It's too early to tell. He has the physical tools to be great but there's no way to know right now. Time will tell. I do like him as a player though. Marv would be dropping "tenacious d" left and right :grin:
I don't understand how the Rockets are scoring 8 pts/48 min more than their opponents in the second half of the season when Beverley is in. This is much better than Jack and Bledsoe. The Rockets second unit wasn't special with Douglas. Maybe, it is TRob or DMo emerging? Delfino has been there all season and hasn't magically gotten better. For Beverley's 600 min, the Rockets bench has played like the Miami Heat when they were slightly above average before Beverley became a Rocket.
Nobody is reading that part... Some people are just looking for an argument or to try to start a Lin vs PB debate.... T_Man
