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Margaret Thatcher Passes Away

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. Nextup

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    I refuse to play the politically correct game. She was a no good dirty politician. I refuse to make to portray her as some kind of hero.
     
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  2. tallanvor

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    youtube videos, tweets, and quotes can be arguments. Who cares if the argument is an original, that has no baring on the validity of the argument.
     
  3. CometsWin

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    When an incredibly high percentage of your posts in a debate forum are videos, tweets, and quotes then yeah, that's indicative of your lack of original thought. In fact it's not uncommon for the catch phrases and slogans used by high profile conservative hucksters to be used quite frequently by posters here and elsewhere. It's a parroting of talking points and hyperbole on talk radio and Fox News that is just a waste of everyone's time.
     
  4. whag00

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    She might call him an *******.

     
  5. Kojirou

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    There's Marxism, and there's Marxist historiography. Those are not the same things. I love Marx as a historian, but despise Marxism and frankly think Marx was a moral coward who made up the junk about the future Communist society simply because he was too afraid to admit that hierarchy and inequality are inevitable aspects that will only get accentuated as means to distinguish ourselves.
     
  6. Haymitch

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    eh Falklands War. Not worth the lives of a few thousand men.
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    RIP

    Two economic trends pop up during her reign: high unemployment and an overall lack of public debt. The latter really distinguishes her from Reagan.

    But they were well over 10% unemployment in 1993 right after she completed her term.

    Their debt really started increasing shortly after she left office.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    She invented soft serve ice cream. Of course the liberals would try to hide this fact.

    You are again proving Thatcher's point, instead of addressing the argument a person makes you would choose to address the fact that the argument has been made before (who cares?). As if an argument is invalid because someone has said it before. Stop trying to attack the messenger (declaring him too dumb to come up with their own argument). It is not compelling.
     
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    Here are some good points about Thatcher who I don't like. She supported Apartheid and called Nelson Mandela's ANC a typical terrorist organization.

    But she was adamantly in favor of socialized medicine.

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  10. Nook

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    Horrible person.

    The world is a better place with her not on it.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Very interesting. I knew she had been a chemist before she entered politics but didn't know about her work on Soft Serve.

    It's not that an argument has been made before it is when someone is relying upon someone else' argument rather than elaborating on it or adding to it in other ways. Especially when just reposting Tweets which by nature are soundbites.

    One of the things I admired about Thatcher was her sharp wit and debate skills. I am pretty sure she if she had been active in the last 10 years she wouldn't have relied on repeating Tweets and other people's YouTube vids to make her arguments for her.
     
  12. CometsWin

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    It's pretty damn compelling. His opinions, when he posts them rather than tweets, videos, and quotes, are routinely ignorant. Here are the posts in question. Thadeus notes the only countries in the world with worse wealth inequality than the United States. It should be evident to anyone with even a little intelligence that there are zero first world countries on the list.

    Then Commodore chimes in with this stupid comment, completely ignoring the point of the post he's responded to particularly because there are a lot of countries with "less economic liberty" in the first world that have less wealth inequality. It's stupid, it's trolling, it's what he does and I called him out for it.

     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy." - Margaret Thatcher</p>&mdash; Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) <a href="https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/321807498094972928" data-datetime="2013-04-10T02:11:01+00:00">April 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  14. Mathloom

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    lol! Good one!

    The ever-controversial George Galloway chimes in:

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php...-margaret-thatcher-and-what-did-she-really-do
     
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  15. Zboy

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    Good riddance.
     
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    She handed us (Hong Kong) to the commies.:rolleyes:
     
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  18. basso

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    the Lady's not for jumping.

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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The lady had numerous faults, numerous policies I disagreed with then and now, but what sticks in my mind about her was the response to the invasion and attempted subjugation of the Falkland Islands. My significant other and I were in Europe for several months when Argentina invaded the islands, and were there until the British victory, which gave us a far different view of things than what one saw in the States. Not necessarily better, but different.

    Here's where I depart with a lot of my fellow liberals. I think she handled it brilliantly. It was an enormous risk. Few thought Great Britain would respond the way she did. Obviously, the Argentine regime didn't. Thatcher took an incredible risk. It could have been a disaster. Not many thought they could pull it off. She never wavered. She may have had private doubts, but she was a leader of that country at a time of crisis, and I don't think any other British politician would have had the cast iron balls of Mrs. Thatcher and her will to respond to naked aggression. Those were British citizens suddenly captured by a ruthless military dictatorship, and not going to their aid never occurred to her. I respect that.

    That's the first thing I thought of when I heard that she'd passed away.
     
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