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Is it not painfully obvious yet that the team is better without Patterson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. pippendagimp

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    actually, the last player whose nuts he was hanging all over and crying about the board villainizing was royce white...lol :grin:
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    You are referring to Carl Herrera, right?
     
  3. pippendagimp

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    CH was a staunch supporter in the royce white threads as well but he did it in a more civil way, while lars just b****ed nonstop at anyone who called royce out
     
  4. CXbby

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    Also incorrect. That 20-9 includes the 6-2 mark earlier in the season when we played with Morris and without Patterson. Our record without Morris this season is 14-9. That is 0.61, a slight dip from the 0.75 win rate when Morris plays without Patterson. That is of course a small sample size where I wouldn't conclude much from it. One common denominator continues to hold true however no matter how you slice it: the team keeps winning at a much higher rate without Patterson, irregardless of whether or not Morris plays.
     
  5. Joe Joe

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    "Anti-PP" crowd? I refer to these guys as the pro-Rockets crowd. PP was better than all, but Smith in my opinion. I know we differ on how good Smith is. Rockets were one of worse teams producing from PF with PP and are still one of the worse without him.

    I think it is fairly obvious that the Rockets aren't hurting without PP. As bad as you make out DMo, Smith, TRob....the Rockets are still playing about the same as the Rockets were before. Beverley has helped the Rockets some, but he isn't a game changer.
     
  6. lookabove

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    No wonder I can't find RAPM updates.

    "hired by an NBA team"
    Confirmed in email or Link?
     
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    I like how the Patrick Bargnani truthers just keep repeating "Of course he was better! He just was! It's obvious!" ad nauseum always without supporting evidence. Though I suppose when there is no supporting evidence that's the sort of reasoning you have to resort to.

    Keep fighting the good fight lmao
     
  8. CXbby

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    Email. You can email him yourself and congratulate him at Jeremias.engelmann@gmail.com

    BTW the RAPM someone posted earlier in this thread from google docs is a bootlegged version that is far less accurate. It still shows Patterson's negative impact, but not quite to the dramatic extent that the original and true RAPM rates him at.
     
  9. CXbby

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    Meh mentioned this a few times already, our best lineup all season at PF has been Delfino. That is neither ideal nor sustainable, and speaks to how inconsistent our current crop of rookies are, and how poor Patterson/Morris were before them. Nonetheless, ridding ourselves of Patterson has forced McHale to go to that lineup more, which in the short run has benefited the team.

    In the long run, it gives the GM a good look at the otherwise unknowns: Dmo, TJones, TRob. One of them is likely to emerge as a much better player than Patterson. And even if not, we can wholeheartedly go into the offseason offering one of the PF free agents a contract commitment without wondering to ourselves what we have on our hands with the youngsters.
     
  10. megastahr

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    interpretation:
    Yes who needs stats like win% and point differential post and pre trade. Those are irrelevant and the contextual data is not accounted for at all...and furthermore. If I keep talking in circles eventually people will agree with me.

    Nice try carl...nice try
     
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    "here we go with all these baseless facts and non-contextual statistics. Can we just stick to rockets are worse because I gave stats about T-rob struggling...geez guys"
     
  12. megastahr

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    that was me paraphrasing CH FYI lol
     
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    Translation: no matter what hard numbers you provide rockets are 50% worse without patt...and 40% of the stat I just provided was made up on the fly.
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I just can't see how anyone can argue that to date T-Rob or DMO has played better than 2Pat. I mean, I am not a 2Pat fan and didn't lose a wink over the trade - makes sense. But how the heck you can argue that he's not better than these two very raw rookies is perplexing.
     
  15. Louka

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    right now, I would agree that patpat is better. But as you said, we could/should care less. The fact that this thread is still going strong means some people are really twisted up about it. The trade won't make a difference come playoffs. Sooner or later patpat was getting replaced. We opened up capspace sooner rather than later... geeez, drop it already
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Ppatt is better than our current guys except Greg Smith, but he was so mediocre it didn't matter much to lose him.
     
  17. CXbby

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    The trade was a benefit both in the short run and the long run. Just like when we traded a starting PG Rafer Alston for a little known career backup in the midst of a playoff run. Just like when we traded starting PG Aaron Brooks for a maligned backup and gave the reigns to Kyle Lowry.

    Morey has a knack for making trades that defy conventional wisdom. Immediately after trading starting PF Patrick Patterson, he reassured us that IF that made making the playoffs harder, it was by a very marginal amount. He was being modest however, and left out the part where the team actually improved.

    This is Morey's MO, and he is doing it yet again. Yet time and time again, arrogant, self-obsessed, arm-chair GMing fans refuse to give him even the slightest benefit of the doubt before piling on. How about waiting 10 games before crying about how he tanked the team? 5 games? Hey, how about 1 game? Maybe then you wouldn't look like a complete and utter fool now.

    Just because you are good at penis jokes, doesn't mean you know more about running a professional basketball team than Morey.
     
  18. megastahr

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    I think the argument is that whether patt was producing better or worse then what we have now is irrelevant. His impact was net zero. We actually are preforming better without him. Doesnt mean that the individuals that replaced him are better players than him. Just that the team as a whole can preform at as high if not higher level without him.

    Basically the upgrade of Patt over any of our PFs in not enough to even matter. So ditching him we landed something with a higher upside without hurting our teams performance in anyway...and actually statistically you can prove we have gotten better without him.
     
  19. megastahr

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    I dunno cxbby.........CH is pretty good an contextual statistics. where is morey in this area. Its the art of ignoring stats when they dont agree with your point and emphasizing whatever stat you can pull out your butt when they do agree with you.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    That is such B.S. You called AB out when he was having his MIP season and was arguably the most important player in our first playoff victory in over a decade.

    Before his injury and spiral downwards he was better than any PG we have had, even Lowry. Don't act like you knew he would get injured and all that would happen, that is just ludicrous. Lowry would never have gotten the chance to start had AB never gotten injured and our organization would probably be heading in a different direction. That being said, AB sucked and his attitude sucked afterwards so I have no problem with the fact he was traded. Nobody is nuthugging except for you, Lowry was one of the biggest team cancers we have had and I bet you probably wish we had caved in.

    Hows that Morris doing btw?
     

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