Yep, and then you immediately posted that anyone who could define early pregnancy different from you also considered abortion "pleasant." Give us all a huge break, giddy. We understand your views. (yawn)
I turned his language on him. I called abortion a "horror." I will never give this topic a break. The defenseless deserve a defense. This is part of it!
How did you turn it on him? He implied no one would call it pleasant. You're the only one who's suggested anyone would call it pleasant. BTW, back on the original topic, Planned Parenthood has responded to the issue in case anyone was actually interested.
yes please..I keep checking back in this thread to see their response and hadn't seen it yet. Thank you in advance.
SL asked what was the controversy. I said revealing the "seamy side" of abortion and talked about the horror of it. He responded: I said nothing about any aspect of abortion being pleasant for anyone. He tried to insinuate that I was saying that something about it was "pleasant" for someone. I never said anything that approached that. I stuck with "horror" all the way around and the fact that this particular story revealed a "seamy" side-- which refers to some usually unseen aspect.
How is THAT the horror story of abortion? My mother told me how depressed she was when she found out she was pregnant with me. She was poor and already had 7 kids. She was on contraceptives when she conceived. This wasn't the first time that happened to her, she said. She requested a tubal ligation after she got the boy she wanted (kid #7), but in those days you needed spousal consent and my father wouldn't agree to it. Condoms and abstinence were out of the picture, again because of my father (who was emotionally and physically abusive) and my mother was weak. She had an appointment to abort "me" when I was a clump of cells in her womb. She couldn't go through with it because she was afraid of the feelings of guilt she would have, thanks to her stupid religion and people like you. Her telling me that story wasn't horrific at all. I deeply sympathized with her and it was one of the most enlightening conversations of my life. Forcing and guilt tripping women into bringing unwanted babies into this world is the real horror story.
seam·y (sm) adj. seam·i·er, seam·i·est 1. Sordid; base: "seamy tales of aberrant sexual practices, messy divorces, drug addiction, mental instability, and suicide attempts" (Barbara Goldsmith). seamy [ˈsiːmɪ] adj seamier, seamiest 1. showing the least pleasant aspect; sordid Seamy means the ugly side. The side with all the seams. So when you say "the seamy side of abortion" - aka the unpleasant and dirty side. You are implying that abortion isn't all nice and dandy and great. So at best you are making up your own definitions to words, and at worst you are backpedaling. Which one is it?
Origin: 1595–1605; seam + -y1 ; in transferred senses alluding to the unpresentable appearance of the inside of a garment, i.e., where the seams show Explaining this to her daughter one day is what post #16 refers to....
Now that you've gotten your "fly on the wall" moment and put a mother and her child squarely in their place, you can take your ball and go home.
So your vocabulary is from 1605???? Seriously dude? You are stretching. You posted this to somehow say look at how ugly abortion is, look at the kind of woman who wants to have an abortion - these are what the pro-choice movement is all about. This thread isn't about this woman, it's some larger attack you are trying to make without owning because you know it's based on very spurious logic. Now you are weaseling out because you want to attack without being seen as attacking. We are seeing the "seamy" side of you!
Again, I never said that there was a "pleasant" side to abortion. You put those words in my mouth. I said "seamy" and this whole circumstance shows a "seamy" side seldom seen or considered in this whole debate-- infrequent as it might be. The frequency is immaterial; it's the principle that counts. Did you even read the stuff I wrote? I wrote that I would have to, regrettably, support this woman's decision to have an abortion if her life was in danger. The whole circumstance points up to a rare "seamy" side-- when an abortion fails. Quite possibly this whole circumstance could have just faded away but the woman chose to file a lawsuit and opted for the publicity that would inevitably follow. Now she will have to someday account to her daughter for her decision. She had the abortion... and tried to have it again... ShadyPink's mom only thought about doing it. Big difference.
You obviously have honest feelings about abortion. I respect that. What bothers me is that you have made numerous judgments about the woman without knowing her or knowing all the facts. All you know is what somebody with an agenda put on her blog. It sickens me when somebody comes in here to judge others based on an abortion debate, their argument based on Christian teachings. Why? Because the Bible also commands you not to judge others. Most people who "discuss" abortion based on their religious views conveniently skipped that part of their Bible.
And I had to suffer with the consequences of being an unwanted child and all the seamy things that entails, when I could just as easily not exist and that suffering would have never occurred. And the intent and will were there. Her motives for not going through with it had nothing to do with her realizing that I was "precious". She was afraid of the judgment by her god and others. I've already shared here before that if I had a choice in the matter, I wouldn't have come into existence.
