Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

Jeff Teague's a restricted free agent after the season, right?

 

Tell me more about how many asian fans Teague have, and how many $ they spend. Conversation done, yes?

 

I'm no LOF and i've been a Rocket fan since 1990, followed them every single year but saying Lin has no charisma after being global phenomenon is just crazy. Heck, Jeremy might even have more jerseys sold in one state than Teague has in the entire globe. I'm not saying that Lin is better. Doesn't mean i don't like Teague either. But trading Lin for Teague makes zero sense for a NBA franchise in general.

 

are you replying to me? i think you probably are because it's right after my post and you are talking about the same players but i don't understand this post, sorry

 

The way I see it...

Teague has the higher floor and the lower ceiling, while Lin has the lower floor and the higher ceiling.

Teague is the better shooter and athlete so he'd probably fit better with the offense, but I like Lin, so I'm not sure how much of an upgrade it'd be anyway.

 

Minimal upgrade on the court. Massive loss in sales and following. Period.

 

I remember when Yao first became a Rocket, people, particularly those outside of Houston, said it was all just for marketing as well. That mentality quickly dissipated after a season.

 

IMO, Morey will go after CP3 and Dwight 1st, and then make a significant run at Kevin Love.

I keep coming back to Love because he just makes too much sense. We have the pieces to make a 2, 3 or 4 way deal work. We lack rebounding at the 4...Love gives us that. If we want spacing, KL shoots the 3, but can also play inside. He can run the court, and he's only 24. He disguntled in Minny, which gives us our in. McHale drafted him, and Love has said great things about McHale. He is the perfect Morey target.

Houston Out: Lin, Motiejunas, Robinson, PHX 2013 2nd, Rockets 2014 1st
Houston In: Kevin Love

Sacramento (Seattle) Out: Marcus Thornton
Sacramento (Seattle) In: Lin, Motiejunas, Rockets 2014 1st

Minnesota Out: Kevin Love
Minnesota In: Marcus Thornton, Robinson, PHX 2013 2nd

Why for Houston?[/U]
You get your 2nd foundational piece in Love, and clear out some of the congestion at the 4. Still have Smith and Jones to develop as backup 4s and 5s. Beverly moves into the starting lineup, which improves your backcourt defense.

Why for Sacramento (Seattle)?
The Kings have a money problem.....Lin is a money machine. He is hugely popular on the west coast, which means his value to the Kings may be greater than it is even to the Rockets. Imagine a front office/owner knowing they can boost sales regardless of whether they are winning or not. Plus, I think Lin and Motiejunas both fit well with Cousins, who needs and wants to dominate the middle.

Why for Minny?
Minny is set at PG between Rubio and Shved. They took a gamble on Roy and it didn't work. Thornton provides them with instant offense and a long term solution at the 2. There's no way they let Pekovic walk, so they are set at the 1, 2, and 5 for a long time. Robinson gives you another opportunity to get a quality stretch 4.

 

From my proposal, the starting lineups would look like this:

Houston
Beverly / Brooks(or other...maybe even Llull)
Harden / Delfino
Parsons / Delfino
Love / Smith / TJones
Asik / Furkan Aldemir

Sacramento
Lin / Thomas
?? / Thomas
Salmons / Outlaw
Thomson / Patterson / DMo
Cousins / Hayes

Minny
Rubio / Shved
Thornton / Barea
AK47 / Budinger
Williams / TRob
Pekovic / Stiemsma

 

Nothing changed in our team strenght after your trades, finsraider. This team is not contender, not even close.

 

No 'smart' NBA GM will ever trade Lin for Teague.
You got to be a complete Moron at this stage of their career.

Lin a global sales machine and can play.
Teague? Who's that?

 

I guess I disagree. You go from PF by committee to elite PF. The drop off from Lin/Beverly to Beverly/whoever isnt as great as the improvement from DMo/TRob/TJones/Smith to Love/TJones/Smith.

I don't think the bench is any worse off, and even if it is, Morey can quickly find another Delfino/Beverly/etc. to fill in the holes. Morey said recently that he think Furkan Aldimer will come over next year, which means he think he can play now. Morey also said a few months ago that Llull is still in play.

I think my proposed lineup is the beginnings of a contender. Maybe not THE contender yet, but its a step in the right direction.

I'd ask it this way:

Can Beverly be the starting PG on a contender? Probably not.
Can Harden be the starting SG on a contender? Definitely.
Can Parsons be the starting SF on a contender? Yes.
Can Love be the starting PF on a contender? Definitely.
Can Asik be the starting C on a contender? Yes.

We are 4/5ths the way there with this trade. Worry about the bench isn't important, because Morey can always find the right pieces on the cheap.

 

Let me put it this way. If Timberwolves trade their young all star for TRob, Thorton + second round pick, their fans will go on a riot!

Love - All star

For...

Thorton - non starter on a lottery team, and probably Kings 4th best player.
TRob - bust probability is high
Second round pick - Probably 36-40th pick

 

The bust potential for any rookie is high, that's why Morey accumlated alot of them, because as a pool the liklihood of getting an all-star goes up. I'm not saying TRob is THE all-star, but the chances of one of TRob/Derrick Williams developing into an all-star is higher than either apart. If that's not enough, then give the Wolves the Rockets 2014 1st instead of the PHX 2013 2nd, and add TJones to the mix.

So...

Love for Thornton, TRob, TJones, and Rockets 2014 1st.

You are never going to get equal value for Love unless someone like Bosh or Howard is available. I assume that Minny has some incentive to take less because he's been a headache for them.

 

The most realistic trade I can think of will be Jeremy Lin for maybe a 2nd rounder if Lin doesn't struggle anymore down the road this season. Morey probably value the cap flexibility a bit more if Lin's traded. Otherwise, they might keep Lin, provided that he's developed a more reliable 3 shots, to help pay for any luxury tax they might encounter down the road if he really does impact Les's pocket in a significant way.

As for the Teague vs Lin's argument:
A-Stats
PER [UTD]: 16.7 vs 14.9
APER [3/27]: 18.64 vs 16.05
USG% [UTD]: 23.1% vs 20.6%
ORtg vs Own Team [UTD]: 106/104.7 vs 105/109.9 (more than team is better)
DRtg vs Own Team [UTD]: 106/104.2 vs 106/106.1 (more than team is worse)
WS/48 [UTD]: .112 vs 0.98

Individual PPP
PPP O [UTD]: 0.89 vs 0.86 (higher is better)
PPP D [UTD]: 0.92 vs 0.88 (lower is better)

APM + Variants
2y APM [4/3]: 0.59 vs 2.60
1y PIRAPM O [3/30]: 1.9 vs 0.1 (higher is better)
1y PIRAPM D [3/30]: -0.1 vs 0.1 (higher is better)
ASPM O [4/1]: 1.06 vs 0.33 (higher is better)
ASPM D [4/1]: 0.03 vs -0.61 (lower is better)
IPV [3/21]: 0.68 vs 1.65

 

Lmao, why would Minnesota do that trade? Love is their franchise player. It's like us trading Harden for Thornton, Robinson, and a PHX 2nd rounder.

 

Lin is here to stay unless Chris Paul is coming and guess what he is not.

Really you have to put Lin in the super star category no matter how un derserving due to his popularity and marketibility......He is a cash cow and worth a player better than him in a trade if it came to it due to this very reason.....

 

So, here's my proposals:

Let's assume the salary cap goes up to $60 million.

1. Trade Royce for whatever future draft pick value we can get for him to clear his salary.

2. Trade Tim Ohlbrecht to Boston (or some other team) for a future second rounder or cut him.

3. See if we can trade Aaron Brooks for a pick or cut him.

4. Do not pick up Delfino's option.

5. Trade Thomas Robinson for the best future first round draft pick we can negotiate.

6. Obviously do not pick up Garcia's option.

7. Do keep Pat Beverley and Greg Smith's contracts along with Parsons, the other guys on rookie deals, and Harden, Lin, Asik.


These moves should give us just enough space to offer Dwight a 4-yr max deal starting at $20,513,178 with 4.5% raises every year and a player option after year 3.

8. Sign Dwight

9. Now here's where the grand slam presents itself.

We have Omer ($8374646 salary), DMo ($1422720 salary), TJones ($1551840), plus the pick(s) we acquired for Thomas Robinson, and possibly Ohlbrecht/Brooks to go after Kevin Love with.

If we assume Minnesota doesn't re-sign Pek, then they're gonna need a good value center. Won't find one better than Omer. Send TJones to New Orleans. New Orleans sends can draft a new shooting guard. TJones can play with his boy Anthony Davis. New Orleans sends Eric Gordon to Minny. We send Omer Asik to Minny along with a couple future picks and Minnesota sends us Love and JJ Barea.

That's one reiteration of a trade for Love after we sign Dwight.

Here's another possibility. Suppose Minny keeps Pek so they don't need or want Asik. Same basic trade except Asik goes to a third team for as many picks as possible. Send picks to Minny instead of Asik.


So, basically if we can get Dwight here by just signing him away, we are then set up to make a future deal for Love. It doesn't have to happen immediately. But if we can acquire Dwight without moving out Asik then we are set and if Minnesota doesn't want to move Love yet, we can just sit tight or look at another upgrade using some combination of Asik/DMo/TJones/and the picks we acquire by moving out TRob, etc.

Ideally, I'd like to see

Lin
Harden
Parsons
Dwight
Love

with
Beverley
Anderson
(bring back Delfino or Garcia if possible after this goes down)
Greg Smith
Hassan Whiteside
Doug McDermott (2013 second rounder)
Goudelock
Tyler Honeycutt


(just a sample filling out of roster).

 

By the way, I am aware I do not have enough salary going out to take back Barea in the above proposal. I think we may be able to get New Orleans to take him back or possibly move him to a 3rd team by including a future draft pick. Or perhaps Minny would send Ridnour to New Orleans. They would probably take him to be able to move out Gordon and save the money.

There are other reiterations of the above scenario including other teams and shooting guards as well. Orlando may decide they need to move Afflalo for as much value as they can get if they pick up a SG in the draft just to name one.

The trade for Love is not something that would likely happen immediately following us signing Dwight. I don't see Love getting traded until and unless the situation deteriorates with Minnesota further next season. But we would have the assets and we would most likely have TJones and DMo playing alongside Dwight and increasing their trade values up until the time that Minnesota decided to move Love.

 

If that's how you do the math. How about this?

Can Steve Nash be the starting PG on a contender? Definitely.
Can Kobe Bryant be the starting SG on a contender? Oh yea.
Can Metta World Peace be the starting SF on a contender? Yes.
Can Paul Gasol be the starting PF on a contender? Definitely.
Can Dwight Howard be the starting C on a contender? Definitely

And now where they are? It's not always wise to pile up stars. After all, it's a team sports. I like how things going with the team right now. Good chemistry, good off-court relationships within the team. Why don't we give this core sometime to see how it develops before rushing into any decision for a "major" upgrade?