That trade is a lot more clear. We know what Harden and KMart are, and the odds that Lamb or the picks will be at Harden's(or even Kmart's)level is pretty small.
Yes. He's going against popular opinion, and not backing down. That tends to lead to negative perception, regardless of whatever the truth may be.
not really. I champion diverse opinions and people's right to say what they think, regardless of how popular it is; especially in a forum like this one. But repeating your opinion like a broken record over every thread regardless of context, as if saying it enough times will make it true, doesn't qualify. It also appears that there's a slight hint of enjoyment from instigating polarization on this issue; hating on a new player who is still developing and trying to find his way in the NBA during a challenging rookie season. CH may think that TRob's failure vindicates his belief that it was a bad trade, but rooting for a player to fail, or using the GARM to hate on players strikes me as activism rather than stating opinions. Even if TRob is a complete bust, the trade was still the right move to make given the upside of a top 5 pick...in my opinion. Of course any reasonable person would say that it's way to early to tell what TRob is, so this whole development seems like one long set of mental masterbation.
if patty outplays trob tonite.....carl will ejaculate all over this forum for the next few days unabated. if patty gets outplayed by trob tonite.....carl will ejaculate all over this forum for the next few days unabated. if patty and trob play to a draw tonite.....carl will ejaculate all over this forum for the next few days unabated. so in the final anal-ysis....irregardless of performance, just seeing pat's butt on the tv will make carl coocoo for his cocoa puffs..
What are "long term view" projections based on? The accumulated data on a player-- including NBA performance, DLeague performance, practice performance (which fans don't get to see), college performance, interaction wit coaches, teammates, etc., a player's age and experience level and more. The point is not only does Robinson not look like a very good player right now, the data does not suggest there is a high likelihood of him becoming a very good player in the future and the data keep on accumulating in the direction of "won't be very good"--and this is why the Kings gave up on him. Kings may be a bad team, but Geoff Petrie isnt actually r****ded. Sure, TRob might improve, but he has a long way to go there are plenty if examples of guys who finished that journey to competence. I am not repeating the same opinion. I am stating an updated opinion each time based on a new data set. Not sure why people get mad at this. Am I taking up space so that there isn't room for important Jeremy Lin discussions, "McHale sucks" discussions? Judging by the fact that people keep replying to me, seems that at least several of you want to talk about it quite a bit. People who don't want to talk about the Robinson-Patterson trade should quit talking about the Robinson-Patterson trade. There is also the "ignore" function available or the option of skipping over posts you don't want to read.
What does "Patterson only fan" even mean? I don't recall quit being a fan of Lin, Parsons, Harden, Asik, McHale, etc. I don't like the trade and don't think much of Robinson's potential and abilities based on available data. You guys need to get better at name-calling and come up with an more accurate insult than this one. It started, I think, from " Yao Only Fans," being used to describe fans (many Chinese) who joined the forum only because of Yao and who only care about Yao getting minutes and stats and the "only fan" or the derivative "only hater" labels became a popular insult here, at times applied in situations even when they make no sense. Words have meanings. People should use them better.
I do agree that t-rob does not look promising. His effort is there, which is nice but then again that sometimes is an easier fix than other aspects. You have to keep in mind though that had we not done the trade then Beverly would probably still be stuck behind Douglas and bev has been huge for us. I still think the bigger mistake was giving up Morris just to open up playing time. There is no doubt he would have been a lot better for the team than dmo but I guess morey had to take a risk. In the end if we make the playoffs the trades would not have mattered; we weren't getting past the first round either way and next year we'll have someone better than ppat. If we miss the playoffs then the criticism is deserved.
yes, we are also not repeating the same clowning insults of your pathetic presence here. we are merely stating an updated opinion of your trollapaloooza based on the continual hourly data your keyboard churns out.
Right now Trob doesnt look that great but will give him the benefit of the doubt until next season. Let's see how he does after a training camp with the Rockets.
Carl, stating your opinion in this thread is fine. And people should stop trashing you because of this thread. If they don't like it, they don't have to come here to post. Or if they think you are wrong, they can argue all they want. What's annoying is that your Patterson fetish trolling is all over the place on this board, not just this thread.
Morey also thought Patterson should go #6. I guess you could say Robinson was an 8.5 or maybe 9. The reason why I am not optimistic that Robinson will become a second star on a championship team (which is what many posters say he has this potential) is that great players usually show their potential early in their NBA careers. There are exceptions, of course. The only potential Robinson has shown so far is that he's going to be a good rebounder and can run the floor. I've said it many times. I suspect that Morey took Robinson as a trade asset rather than a potential second star for the Rockets' championship quest. The kid's potential still has some enticing value to other GMs.
Pretty sure most of these posts are within the flow of the discussion-- like when I compared Smith and Robinson's development in the "Small Sample, Smith+Asik" thread where the OP specifically mentioned Smith as comparing to the other PFs includinf Robinson. Some of the other stuff are just jokes (like "McHale put so many 3s on the court because there are no 4s"). I will try not to get too tangential. Nevertheless, some people don't make the distinction you make and just get mad whenever negative info on Robinson is posted whether it's in this thread or not. Seems they just enjoy getting angry since they do it so often. People can do what they want within the forum protocol established by Clutch. I just prefer that our post be logical (I will try to be myself) so there can actually be a discussion based on objective facts of each player's performance. Just throwing inaccurate labels like "Patterson only fan" around does not facilitate useful discussions or help anyone to be well (other than those who just like posting angry stuff).
Your updated opinion seems to be the same as your original opinion. Perhaps you could just provide us updates when it changes.
So, the ass you got in high school were mostly tall muscular black guys? Not judging, only observing. It's changing-- the trade is looking 20% worse than I thought.
LOL Fair enough. I like Robinson, from all accounts he seems to be a hard worker. I am hoping that an off season working in the Rockets system will be beneficial to his development as a pro. Morey may trade him before that happens though.
Judging a trade takes years and is only possible with hindsight. Consider the Gasol trade for Memphis. It was considered so lopsided that Popovich said there should be a committee to block unfair trades, to protect teams from themselves. Seeing now what Marc Gasol has become, the Grizzlies would happily do that trade again. OKC has been prematurely criticized for the Harden trade. Apparently, they've no longer title contenders. That doesn't sound right to me. The Thunder still look damn good to me and have a bright future. If they win a title this year, what will the critics say then? And let's not forget they have a lotto pick from Toronto this year and a Dallas pick that becomes unprotected in 2016, so they have not yet begun reaping the benefits from the trade. Just because the deal was good for Houston does not mean it was bad for OKC. And just because the Robinson trade is bad for Houston now (the effect is really overstated), does not mean it won't be excellent going forward.
