Pretty much, i dont see how people can say that haha. Lin is hardly a factor compared to harden, i honestly think we would have won just as many games, if not more if we didnt have Lin and only had Bev and TD. He's not a bad player, he just doesn't influence the game nearly as much as harden.
You telling me Beverley could run this offense as effectively as Lin? We really saw that last game didn't we. Beverley was really dishing and getting all his teammates involved in that 4th quarter. Lin actually plays defense, so I'd say he influences the game at least as much as effort-on-offense-only Harden.
Same harden who won the game in the last few seconds against a full strength Spurs team? or the same Harden who almost single handedly beat Miami with a mammoth last quarter guarded by Lebron James? Lets not forget how many other games like in Minny where he willed this team to a win. 46 on the OKC Thunder and many other cases. Anyone who thinks this team is better is utterly stupid.
When you go back and look at the games that Harden has been out (which is probably only 3 games this season) Lin has exploded for high scoring games. Remember San Antonio? All i'm saying is, the bench needs scoring and Jeremy would flourish in that role.
yeah the bench needs scoring and boy harden would flourish from the bench even more...hovever i am not sure if his ego or big contract could allow coming off the bench ? he could play almost same number of minutes coming off the bench
Lin's influence on the game is clear. He pushes the pace, forces defenses to run back helter skelter as Lin is liable to toss a touchdown pass or bring it down to the heart of the defense before they're set, creating a mismatch. One of Lin's go to moves is quickly running up court and following a big then trying to make a quick move to force the big to guard him, then Lin backs out and passes it in to the mismatch. His court vision, ability to get bigs involved, penetration, playmaking, ability to score.. It's not even a comparison with TD. TD lacked any pg sensibilities whatsoever. He was a great guy, shot awesome from 3, but could not lead a floor game and was pretty much bring it up quickly with no purpose but to bring it down quickly and pass it off to the next man. This puts a lot of pressure on Harden to have to iso, which McHale (I assume) liked and which many of us have consistently disliked. That is why we chose Bev. Bev brought similar defensive effort and could manage a decent floor game. There was a method to his game where there was none to TD's (in terms of being a floor general). But once again, Bev cannot sustain more than 20 minutes without, once again, the burden of playmaking falling too much on Harden's albeit ample shoulders. This is why I believe that Lin is perfect for Harden, or at least will be. And now that he's been shooting around 40% from 3, is among tops in penetration, and can penetrate and create, it allows Harden to play his game with less pressure. I don't know how you guys can even compare Bev (who I love) with Lin in terms of impact. And yes, I loved Bev's blocks, rebounding, steals, etc. I just don't think you see all the little things that Lin does on defense and offense which leads to winning moves. I'd go so far as to say that if you see Bev/TD as comparable to Lin, you're either biased or haven't played organized basketball. It's night and day. Of course, this is just my opinion and you're entitled to yours, I just wish you guys saw what I see. And I bs you not, I'm more critical of Lin than anyone on this board, darn near Random Fan level around my friends, just not on this board. I DESPISE his ugly turnovers, I yell every time he passes on a layup, and hate when he lets quick guards abuse him to his right... But, there's no denying (at least in my eyes and experience) that he's a very impactful player both on offense and defense.
Bev isn't even in the same stratosphere interms of offense with Lin. Defense maybe, but the offensive end it's not close.
If Harden were not here,the rockets would be maybe .500. The difference between Harden in the 4th qt and a guy like martin is huge. The spurs have won a lot of game this yr without manu and even minus parker,but that doesn't mean they're better. The rockets won a lot games without Yao Ming,but that didn't mean they were better.
Why would they bring a top 5 player off the bench? The idea is to put him with a PG that fits his style of play. Jeremy Lin needs shots and there is not enough basketball for them both in the starting line-up. Yeah, it worked for a while but it alsohurt them too.
fans should focus on how to build the team stronger As a fan, it is better to think how to make the team stronger by adding strong talent. Unlike some extremist (fan?), Lin must feel luck to have Harden in the team.
How about just for the fun of it? Otherwise, here are some of the reasons, feel free to come up with some more of your own: 1. Strategic and tactical surprise for the opponents to mess with their system and expectations 2. we're winning without harden so why mess up the system that works? 3. our bench needs scoring 4. You allow for another linsanity to happen 5. you allow other players to develop 6. you allow for TEAMBALL 7. You get publicity 8. That way you instantly motivate and force him to play defence and thus you get a better version of Harden-perhaps he can even come close to MJ that way Boy aint i a genius?
You are a true young artist men Bravefox. Your art from imgflip where you just put text in are awesome.
oh man thnx for encouragement, at least i found somebody who can appreciate a true talent and true art...there are so many people around who dont understand the art and have no clue that actually nothing is original and everything is a remix... the most appreciated works of art are 99% remix... Besides it often happens to me to stumble upon some weird people who dont even understand and appreciate nor have a slightest idea what is the subject of my art...:grin: There are two types of creators in the world. One type of creator works with objects - a poet, a painter, they work with objects, they create things. The other type of creator, the mystic, creates himself. He doesn't work with objects, he works with the subject; he works on himself, his own being. And he is the real creator, the real poet, because he makes himself into a masterpiece.
Posting memes on an internet forum never has been and never will be considered art. Go do some street performing, it's the last true expression of artistic ability.
i think it's impossible to compare the current situation with what could've been. but i would like to use my imagination and take a try at describing what the rockets would'v ebeen like without the harden trade. i think with martin instead of harden there would have been no franchise player figure on the team, but the skill level of the team would not have been significantly lower. in fact, the running-fast pace offense would've been more emphasized and i suspect the rockets would have been more closer to the "denver" model of team where many equal parts work hard together. the question "are the rockets better without harden" is not questioning harden's skills or importance as an nba player. but it does make us ask would this team with it's player makeup perform better overall with a superstar or with democratic ball?
hehe:grin: as if you know anything about the art...particularly mine art... you didnt even understand what i wrote in most plain metaphor in the post you commented upon...however i forgive you...:grin: not everyone is able to appreaciate great artists.. and the greater the artist the less people who appreciate his art...true writer writes for the audience of one, that is, oneself...and so does any true artist hehehe:grin:
Championships are won by superstar(s) and we have Lin (j/k). We will not win a playoff series without Harden, no ifs and buts. You can have 5 Lins on the court, you will not win it all. I don't doubt Lin becoming THE player, but as of now, Harden is the man. The last team that won a championship team without a bonified superstar, or HOF player was the Detroit Pistons (Rip Hamilton, B.Wallace years).
1) Harden does not know how to lead rhythm, he always slow down before an attack or pass. Wait for the other team in full defensive mode? 2) He's too sticky to the ball so the team has less movement with the ball 3) He scores alot of points as well as gave up alot points on his no defense
