There's a lot to organized religion that I find repugnant, and you'll likely find agreement from religious posters on some of those issues. But to paint it with broad strokes doesn't accomplish anything. It's not even about speaking the "truth" or being free with your opinions. It makes you look like an ignorant dick.
You are such a disingenuous poster. I said Barkley and Chapelle have not been "separated and dehumanized." Last time I looked, either one of them were more successful than you and I combined. Quit trolling and quit changing the essence of my contributions
Just trying to understand - I attack a religion's manifestations of intolerance, violence and extremism - not even the religion itself - and you called me this: Then you go and attack an entire religion (not even the extreme parts of it, or manifestations of violence, abuse or intolerance, like I do). Personally, I think it is fine to point out excesses of intolerance and violence, and even to ask if they are in any way rooted in the "design" of the religion itself - but why attack the entire religion and ridicule it?
You are wrong. They actually have been. Read up on both of their personal histories and what they've encountered. Old white guys are the victims of dehumanization and separation? Hahahahaha. Old white guys run the country, and almost every major corporation in it. Sorry pal, get a clue.
All old white guys? So once you are an old white guy, you run the country and there is no way that you can, individually, be a victim of some kind of discrimination? Interesting.
Finally... somebody not a "slave" to GroupThink. I changed careers a year or so ago. At age 59 I wanted to go back into the classroom. I had a possible job lined up at a school where they knew me because I had subbed there a lot and knew what I offered. Then there were all the other schools that I contacted as backups. Could not even get a single interview... yet I was at the Top of the List at the school that knew me personally.... and eventually hired me. Who should I sue for discrimination? :grin:
I am not fan of religion either, nor do I think any religious book is much more than fairy tales to be honest, but your justification here - attacking religion vs. religious people, is one that ATW often uses to justify his hatred of Muslims. There really isn't a difference. I think you were trying to make an extemporary point to why it's wrong to generalize a whole group of people (latinos) as brainwashed by creating equivalency. It's a good point if you are trying to show how ridiculous the idea of saying brainwashing is on an entire group. You took the other trek - that indeed, both groups are being brainwashed essentially. I am not saying it's not true, I think people are heavily influenced by culture, parents, etc. We are as humans built to be brainwashed though - it's part of fitting in. But anyway, that's another debate. But I don't think it's even the point you were trying to make? Look, there are plenty of independently minded, critically thinking, highly aware, and good Christian people who are tolerant and caring. There's no need to insinuate that they are brainwashed because that's not true. You know that, got pushed into a position and are trying to defend something I don't think you really believe in. I'd say let it go. Christianity is a lot more than a set of stories and guide to the universe for Christians. It's their heritage and culture. The Bible represents a lot more than the stories that are within it. As for saying these things on Easter....it's probably insensitive but then again, you have plenty of people here pooping on Islam on their holy days and justifying it as being tolerant so I guess I can't really understand why people are so up in arms there and not when the shoe is on the other foot.
1) I don't hate Muslims. 2) There is a difference. 3) You are the village idiot here. You are a complete moron.
You and I know there is an element of brainwashing when it comes to religious teachings. Brainwashing is in effect when a parent or religious figure indoctrinates a child into believing that the story presented to them is the truth and the only truth and when that truth is questioned eternal punishment awaits. I was risen in that type of household in terms of Islam being that only "truth". Do I blame my parents? No. Because their parents did it to them and so on. In effect, I hopefully broke that cycle and will allow my children to decide for themselves what "truth" really is hopefully by observation and science. Yes, there are many religious followers who were "enlightened" when they were mature enough to make their own decisions and chose religion. Of course these individuals are not brainwashed. Then there are those individuals who were raised in a similar religious household to mine, grew into adolescence, questioned their belief system and concluded that religion is still the answer. These individuals I wouldn't consider brainwashed either. You ARE BRAINWASHED if you were raised in a religious household and adhered to your religion without ever questioning its belief system. Now I don't know if mlaitkep is brainwashed or not but I was trying to point out the irony in his statement and understand how it could offend and to that I'm sorry.
Discrimination? It would be hard. It could happen in some isolated instances. But if old white guys are running the nation, and almost all of the corporations how would they really discriminate against other old white guys?
And the reason you couldn't get an interview was because you were an old white guy? Sorry, pal. You aren't taking any lumps because you are an old white guy. Those other schools may have also known subs who wanted jobs as teachers, had enough teachers, were hiring back teachers who'd been displaced because of budget concerns, hiring teachers who'd done their student teaching at that school etc. Everyone takes lumps, that doesn't mean it's an equal playing field, with all the lumps being taken equal based on race. Why are you whining so much about not getting a job interview? I know it sucks, but you didn't have your race going against you.
I respect your position and rarely agree with giddy on anything, but if you do not believe their is ageism in the workplace you are grossly underinformed or letting your own prejudices interfere with your normally objective positions. That does not discount that a 50something man of color will nominally have it harder than a 50something white man. Just don't think that a 50something man (of any color) has an equal playing field in today's job market.
First of all, as Rashmon pointed out, older people have difficulties getting a job. Call it discrimination or a rational selection, whatever, it's a fact. Secondly, just because there is on average more discrimination against minorities, there can certainly be a situation where there is something like "reverse" discrimination (e.g., the hiring person is [insert color] and will only hire people of [same color] or whatever).
Because not all old white guys are at the top of the heap. An older employee, especially at lower level positions and at lower level of employment, certainly suffer discrimination. I have seen it first hand.
This is absolutely true. I know in the legal profession that bosses tend to hire subordinates that they can relate to, be it socio economic, race, gender, etc. I know of several firms that are founded by African Americans and all of their associates are African American. Likewise, there are many medium and smaller firms that are all white.
Since I never got to talk with anyone, I am hazarding a guess. I had experience. I had 7 years as a full-time teacher and I had good reviews on my more recent sub teaching career. They need/want men at the elementary levels. The only thing I can imagine going against me was my age. Zero interviews except for the people with whom I had already worked. I'm not whining. I got the job I expected to get and wanted. I'm just disproving your point that the world rolls over for old white guys! I couldn't even get an interview; the only cursory thing to dismiss me on was a relatively advanced age.
