ClutchFans Game Thread: Pacers @ Rockets 3/27/2013

Normally i stay out of these lof loh wars . Especially when we win. But in this case i really feel that lin has been too harshly treated to the poitn it hurts the whole team. I will take sides.

 

Thank god for u torocan

 

As Torocan pointed out, this is just wrong. And it is ill-informed. A careless conception of how turnovers become baskets for the other team.

Lin's first TO led to an Indiana hoop, but it came in a basic offensive set. Meaning that it did not come on a fast break. A fast break is an easy basket, especially when there aren't enough defenders back.

Want to see what an easy basket looks like on a fast break?

Go to 0:23 into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nftzOKqYWM

What you will see is an off-balanced James Harden forced shot that leads to a Pacers dunk.

On the play, Harden had Lin wide open to his right. Did he pass it? Nope. He took a bad shot -- one of many for Harden in the game -- and it led directly to 2 easy Pacers points.

Some bad shots are worse than turnovers.

So the next time you do the "6+6 = 12" thing, maybe you can think about what I'm saying here.

How many misses did Harden have last night? How many led to run-out Indy baskets?

I'm a Rockets fan. But some of the Lin hating on here is becoming pathetic.

 

great analysis and interesting perspective
Not only per game, it also applies to each season for each player.

 

Calm down bro

 

If it is any consolation, Mavs Just lost to Pacers, 103 to 78. We didn't lose that bad the night before.

 

I found an interesting post game comment on youtube, how do you think? btw there is no need to disagree or agree but just quite interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtkGoT62yI

 

Dumb. This guy seems to think Kevin McHale cares what people outside of the Rockets think, everything I've seen him do indicates otherwise nor does he seem to be that kind of person. Not to mention how is putting Jeremy Lin in with 5 minutes left down by 11 a bad thing? I've seen the Rocket's overcome bigger deficits in smaller amounts of time.

 

No its actually (3 pointer + foul + missed free throw + 2nd possession + three pointer + foul) x 3 + (3 pointer + foul + missed free throw + 2nd possession + three pointer + foul) x 3 = a gezillion points

All in those 3 TOs.

 

I have a feeling Rockets coaching staffs/management is trying to shorten Harden's career by having him play so many minutes.

 

I think you are on to something. It's all a ploy to make room for the future hall of famer Jeremy Lin!

 

God I wish they didn't play Harden so many minutes, everytime he falls to the ground and moan in pain (sometime it's acting) my heart skips a beat.

 

Great post. However, when you calculate the loss from those 3 TOs, you don't add Pacers 3 possessions to it. Whether the Rockets scored, failed to score, or turned over in those three possessions, Pacers would have always owned their 3 possessions following the Rockets three. So the net loss was simply 3 Rockets possessions, 3.189 points as you calculated.

That's all.

 

I agree with what is being said there.

The Pacers allow fewer than 1 point per possession. They are the only team in the NBA that has that good of a defense.

Lin came in with the Rockets down 11 points (92-81) and just 4:53 left in the game.

After Lin came in, the Rockets got approximately 9 more possessions in the game.

Thus, even if the Rockets had outscored the Pacers 9-0 (around what might be expected given the Pacers' defense and the number of remaining Houston possessions; Houston actually surpassed this and scored 10 points) and Indiana went scoreless, Indiana would still have won the game 92-90.

So, when Lin was put back into the game, the game was effectively over. Indiana had also just went on a 8-2 run and had all the momentum.

If I were McHale, I would have put Aaron Brooks in at that time. It was effectively garbage time then.

My guess is that McHale remembered the backlash after the 2nd recent Dallas game (McHale did not play Lin in the 4th and Houston lost), and decided to put Lin in at the end so that he could say he played him in the 4th. Even if it was too late for Lin to have any effect and the game was already essentially over.

 

I hope that isn't the case. Whatever the "backlash" McHale should at the very least do whatever he thinks is the correct basketball decision. He shouldn't be swayed or influenced by external pressure unless it's from the organization (even then he should try to stand his ground).

 

I kinda thought we still had a shot. Five minutes translates roughly into 12 possessions, at minimum, maybe more. Add-in the three point plays, we had room to overcome the deficit. Sure it would require us to play well but I don't think it's unfair or impossible.

 

Lin was just standing in the corner in those 5 minutes. I could have been the point guard of the rockets during that time and the outcome would have been the same.

 

I mean it didn't work because maybe the game plan should've been changed to allow Lin to give the team a spark but there was enough time.

 

I doubt it, you probably will yell to James and ask him to go to the corner so you can have all the space to work on your miracle shots. :grin:

 

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