Giving Lin less minutes is better for his overall career

I thought this thread was about his minutes and how that supposedly will stunt his growth? You're going into another issue entirely.

 

5 star!

 

Good thinking to compare the min for PG and SG with their backups to see if they played too heavy minutes risking injuries:

PG:
3 Jeremy Lin 2274
8 Toney Douglas 913
10 Beverley 494

So Lin's 2274 min as the starting PG vs 1407 min by backup PGs is about 62% vs 38% ratio. Quite reasonable.

SG:
1.James Harden 2655
14. D. Cook 165
15. J. Anderson 168
16. F. Garcia 106

So Harden's 2655 min as the starting SG vs 439 min by backup PGs is about 86% vs 14% ratio. Simply unacceptable!

 

typo "backup SGs"

 

thanks for the stats, so I'm asking for more. How is that reasonable though, which starting nba pg plays less vs backup PGs?

I think most of them are above 70%

 

McHale's poor management of Lin's playing time is most definitely stunting his growth. I am just pointing out that he mismanges his pg's/other players (throughout his coaching, albeit short, career) in different ways as well.

My main point is it's not about McHale hating Lin. It's McHale not being a good coach in general and the evidence is found elsewhere besides this whole minutes thing.

 

haha..op sounds like he is coping with Lin Grief.

I believe he is in stage 1: denial

next comes anger, then bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance....

 

Spoiler

So are you saying there is evidence elsewhere in addition to his minutes, or that you're no longer suggesting his minutes played have anything to do with stunting his growth and that the supposed growth stunting can be attributed to other things?

Because you still haven't provided any evidence or reasoning for why his minutes are stunting his growth. You attempted to, but then backed off and said his role in the offense is stunting his growth*. So I just want to see if I understand what you're trying to say now.

*Which, of course, could be true. But I wouldn't care. If "growing" Lin comes at the expense of Ws or other, superior players' development, we'll be better off without it.

 

It sounds like you just don't like Lin.

 

Actually, I've been critical of all the starters. It's just that most of the threads are about Lin, so I talk about Lin's failures the most.

 

Please answer the question I posted.

And I do like Lin. I hope he improves and that we keep him beyond this contract.

But like I said, if Lin's "development" comes at the expense of Rockets wins (which it doesn't unless "development" means that he play his style all others be damned, and this seems to be your definition), then I don't want it. Because I want the Rockets to succeed. If Lin is playing for us when we succeed, awesome. If not, awesome. I just want to win.

 

That's what you got from what he wrote? I bet you were really awesome at basketball when you played on your 3rd grade in-house team...

 

Giving OP less posting rights is better overall for CF.

 

So are you saying there is evidence elsewhere in addition to his minutes(yes, I used the Lowry example so as to not have this be isolated to just Lin v McHale), or that you're no longer suggesting his minutes played have anything to do with stunting his growth (no, his lack of PT stunts his growth, if this is not common sense for you, you can DM why they bother to send players down to the D-League or you can read this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book) and that the supposed growth stunting can be attributed to other things (yes, McHale's bad coaching)?

You originally asked me how McHale stunted Lowry's growth. Find me evidence that McHale didn't stunt Lowry's growth while he was on the Rockets.

 

To be honest, it's on the low end even if we factor in Lin's knee recovery in the beginning of the season.

Take Jeff Teague/Devin Harris combo for an example with 65%-35%.

But the current trend in the last 3 games where Bev played more minutes than Lin are definitely disturbing (73 min vs 66 min, 52% Bev vs 48% Lin) and not good for the playoff run.

Everyone knows Lin (12.6pts/6.0asts ave) is the 2nd best playmaker after Harden (26.2pts/5.9asts ave) but for McHale not to develop one-two punch with Harden and Lin but trying to experiment to perfect Harden's one punch with Bev this late in the season was a mind-boggling move.

McHale is about 1 Harden injury away from being fired for overplaying him.

 

OK, I'm not sure if you're being serious or if you're purposely saying these things just to troll.

There is no lack of playing time.

Refer to my first post in this thread. Of PGs on winning teams who aren't clearly better than Lin, he gets the fourth most minutes per game. And the 3 who get more than he does are having much better seasons (Lawson, Teague) or have a much worse backup (Hill).

Thus, Lin is not getting too few minutes. Keep in mind here that we are fans of the Houston Rockets, and we want the Houston Rockets to be successful. All else is secondary.

Let's hope I don't have to repeat that point again.

As for this gem...

So you make an absurd claim that you can't back up, and you say this claim is true until I prove it wrong? That's not how it works, my good friend. And if you can't see why... I can't help you.



But it's 4:00pm and the work day is nearly done. I give up; you win. Say whatever you want and until someone proves it wrong it must be right. If you think a teapot is floating in the sky, then it actually is there until someone proves it isn't.

 

As fans, many people here are too busy arguing for or against Lin that we forget about important things to prepare for Houston's playoff run (i.e. manage Harden's minutes, develop Harden-Lin more as 1-2 punch, play consistent defense, etc.)

It's in the best interest of the Rockets to ensure Lin can score 20+ points so Houston has better chance of winning.

When Lin scored 20+pts playing next to Harden, the Rockets record is 8-3 against mostly >0.5 teams.
And his mpg? 34.75

 

Did you even watch the Rockets before last year? You make alot of assumptions that are way off. Seems like you just want to paint Mchale a certain color, then grasp at straws trying to justify your prejudice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html

Lowry was playing better (overachieving) when he was here.
Compare his Rockets stats to when he was healthy in Toronto.

He stunt his own growth when his ego wouldn't stand for Dragic being chosen over him, and he got traded to a whack ass team headed nowhere. He's free to "grow" all he wants now that he's not "held back" Mchale, but that ain't happening at all.

 

Have you lost your Ctrl v?