2009, 2010, 2011 NBA REDRAFT. Where should Harden, Lin & Parsons be picked?

Wow. I think I lost brain cells reading this post

 

Yes, he is

 

Funny thing is, I think Lin goes late lottery but some of these posts are just absurd

 

Nope.

 

Parsons needs to get paid. Both SBNation and Grantland have him as the "best valued" NBAer i.e. whatta a bargain! Hope he's not locked in for too long with that rookie contract.

 

There isn't a gm in the league that would take Lin over Wall.

 

Problem with Wall is right before All-Star break, he hadn't lived up to #1 billing, especially if you compare him to Kyrie. If they were back in college and both were up for the lottery, there's a good chance, Wall goes #1 over Kyrie because of his athleticism.

Wall has stepped up his game since the break because he's looking for a max deal at the end of year. His shooting has been better. I still think Lin is a more efficient scorer. I go with Lin because I'm a fan but if others pick Wall, I got no problem with that. For now...

 

True. The fact is that he's never drafted. You need to study Lin's game harder in order to see his capability. Even veteran scouts didn't see Lin as anybody they can consider for drafting. Meanwhile, Wall is just oozing with athleticism and skill that most GMs and scouts are looking for. That and Lin being stereotyped Asian (I can't imagine anyone being a Northern California Division II Player of the Year but didn't receive any scholarship). Lin is just fortunate that Knicks had given him some chance. He's also fortunate that Rockets had given him another chance due to his popularity among Asians. I guess it's just pure luck or "blessing" that Lin is with Rockets today. That said, I wish him the best as I'd wish over any Rockets player.

 

Now this is an honest post which I'll rep.

Wall has definitely underachieved in my eyes, and I completely agree that it's no coincidence that him looking for a max deal coincides with his strong push to finish the season. All that said, everything is there outside of the jumper. Rose couldn't shoot either when he entered the league. Plus, Wall has been hobbled by injury. i wouldn't give him max money yet, and wouldn't want him on the Rockets at that price. If we're going from a purely "who will have a better career" standpoint, it's easily Wall.

 

I've made the exact same points before discussing Lin. Repped

 

Lin vs Wall is interesting. Most GMs would still take Wall now, in my opinion, due to athleticism.

But I cringe at someone who hasnt improved his 3pt shooting in 4 years.

I think Wall certainly can't coexist with Harden, and teams led by Wall as their super-max player is probably destined for long-term mediocrity. Lin, on the other hand, with his improved shooting, could fit in as a second fiddle much better than Wall.

But Wall as 1st option has long-term disaster written all over it. And I don't think he'll ever be an all-star let alone superstar, with his shooting percentages. Even Deron Williams lost his all-star spot with his shooting percentage this year, and Wall is easily another level or two below Deron.

 

You're suggesting that Quincy Pondexter, a 25 year old SF averaging 6 points on 11 PER, is better than Lin.

I'm hate the Lin fans, but 3/10 on trolling because you got me to respond.

 

If Wall was drafted 5th instead of the 1st, i think there would be far less controversy. Wall was one of the most hyped up prospects of the last decade, which now leads to over the top criticism. He hasn't lived up to all the Rose comparisons, so now he's a scrub.

 

Wall will never be a good 3 point shooter. He definitely needs to show improvement in that area, but his strength is attacking the basket. He's an unreal athlete and his court vision is extremely underrated on this board. You'd be hard pressed to name 3 guys who get the ball from corner to corner quicker then Wall in game speed.

Unless it's Chris Paul, we shouldn't be paying any PG max money to play next to Harden. We need an elite 4.

Never an All-Star? I'd bet a large sum of money that he makes it once at least. You need to watch more of his game. We need a shooter next to Harden at PG who is willing to defer because James needs the ball in his hands to be effective. If that's Jeremy, perfect. I think he has the right mindset to do it. His second half has been encouraging.

Williams is struggling because he let himself get out of shape. He was carrying like 10-15 extra lbs to start the season. He's a guy who relies on his first step and that's not there this season. He's also a coach killer. Next season will be far more telling

 

his last 10 games as first option, by the way: 20-8 (+4rb, 2st, 1 bl), .604% TS, the Wizards are 6-4. That's comfortably all star level, the big IF is consistency and health for a season.

 

Yeah some people here will still pick Royce White over Lin. :grin:

 

Greg Monroe after Paul George in 2010. Most underrated big in the game.

 

True. I could see a case for #1, too. Still too early to tell. In fact, the whole top 5 (which to me would be George, Monroe, Cousins, Wall and Favors) could end up in a very different order 5 years from now. And even Sanders could have a case for one of the top spots if he keeps improving his jumper.

 

Yep. If Drummond's back holds up that's a perfect 1-2

 

One thing you can't really measure is work ethic. I think scouts/GM should start measuring it also along with other potentials. How? Please don't ask me. I'm merely suggesting. I think that is what separates superstars from stars. MJ got the talent and the right work ethic which caused him to be a lot better. Kobe and LBJ got it too. With Lin, you might not have that talent but you know he's working hard. I'd rather have somebody who's 2nd tier in terms of talent but 1st tier when it comes to work ethic than somebody's who has the talent but didn't work hard for it. It reminds me of Tim Thomas, Stromile Swift and Eddy Curry.