its perception and crane is trying to improve it. you guys are too sensitive to discuss this with. you are to caught up in defending the astros. no one is saying if it right or wrong, we are talking about perception
There's no perception that the Astros have problems with minorities - any more so than any other team.
How am I being sensitive? I simply think that Porter was hired on his merits and what he can do with a group of youngsters in comparison with other candidates. I think he will remain manager beyond three years providing the team shows continual improvement and he maintains control and respect. That makes me sensitive? I haven't ridiculed your position since you explained your 'joke'. I have respectfully stated my position.
no i'm talking about the going through the astros history as if the astros didn't have a problem with black fans. the only reason you don't hear it now is because they have been too bad to discuss. the fans maybe wrong but the perception was there. i mean com'on it was a common topic on sports radio. and it didn't help that they have transitioned to an owner who was alleged to run a racist organization
What in particular is the perception? Is it the lack of black players in the organization? If so, that is a baseball problem. The Astros are not unique in their lack of black players. If not, what is it?
you're in minnesota right. maybe you don't know. sorry. i could see how this isn't something you've heard
I lived in Houston for 30+ years and regularly attended Colt .45 games as well as Astros games. What did I miss that is different in Houston than in most of MLB with respect to black players.
astros had NO black players and it was an issue early this century till they became irrelevant on talk radio.
9% of MLB players are black. Just by random chance, that means there's a ~10% chance that a team of 25 players will have no black players. In other words, unless teams go out of their way to have black player just for the hell of it, an average of 3 teams should have no black players in any given year. The Astros invested heavily in South America (Venezuelan Academy, etc) in the 1990's, so Latinos are going to be overly represented in their minor leagues, meaning it's even more likely that the Astros wouldn't have a black player by random chance. Yes, it was talked about on talk radio. Lots of stupid things are.
and all i'm talking about is the talk and the radio for the umpteenth. perception is reality for some people so please save your stats. jim crane doesn't give a damn, he's trying to sale tickets
i'm not arguing about it i'm trying to inform you of what the climate was like among fans. save your stats thanks
You claimed the astros had no black players; he pointed out that wasn't true. And then you say you're just saying what the climate was like? So the problem was that the fans didn't know the team had black players?
i'm not arguing mainly because i don't disagree with you on reality. i'm talking about among the masses. i know black american kids don't play baseball. i know my friends and i didn't. and i don't care, it was mainly older guys really and a few young guys would latch on. i understand the stats, but i'm not the one not buying tickets. i'm not the one who thinks that way. so stop trying to argue with me. i thought we could agree on what was a big issue, and yes major maybe i'm discounting that this was an issue for black fans across the country
major, i'm not arguing with you. you're not in houston either and not in a major league town. yes black people called black radio stations, and sports hosts got tired of talking about and there is even a long ass thread that anotherbrother started circa 04. edit: just meant radio stations not black radio stations
So, to circle all the way back to your original joke, you do believe the hiring of Porter was more about race than about ability?
i think it was about both. i think that him being a minority may have pushed him over the edge of other candidates. i think with the past perceptions of some fans mainly black and crane's issues i'm 90% sure. and i think its ironic because any manager taking this team now is being put in a no win situation. thus inadvertently throwing a black manager under the bus, while his intention (not total, porter is also qualified) was to make inroads with black fans my lawyer wrote that
