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Jeremy Lin is a quality player - except on the 2nd half of a back-to-back.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by acshen, Mar 19, 2013.

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  1. felixng2012

    felixng2012 Member

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    Everyone gets worst in a b2b but Lin gets significantly worst(going from above average-pretty good to abysmal). Again I think its due to lack of nba experience. He should be in a lot better shape next season. He was coming off a knee injury which makes it harder to get proper conditioning.
     
  2. Fighton

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    in that case i'd compare it to the shack stack @ shake shack. some people say blue burger but i don't think blue burger is all that.

    totally different taste than shack stack (no 'shroom) but both are equally good. but a double-double at in-n-out costs less than half of a shack stack at shake shack.
     
  3. AggNRox

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    another factor needs to be considered. it is what type pg a player is. attacking pg may burn more energy than a spot up shooting pg.
     
  4. imaginedragons

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    style of play is also a factor. Lin play's a helter skelter type of game that makes even those watching him feel exhausted. Agree with the previous post re: Nash, Nash plays the same way but looks as fresh as ever, maybe Lin should take up soccer or ask for conditioning tips.

    Players like Harden, Deron Williams, Calderon, seem to never break a sweat and don't have that helter skelter appearance each time they play. Doesn't mean they don't put out the effort, just their style of play.
     
  5. GanjaRocket

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    how are his numbers on the 2nd half compared to PGs that eat healthier diets?
     
  6. glacier921

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    Are there an In and Out Burgers in Texas? There's an In and Out Burger right outside of the Warriors stadium, about 10 minutes from me.
     
  7. raskol

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    According to my eye test, I know that phrase is frowned upon these days but, his conditioning is poor for his age. It looks like TD and Bev could go all day, whereas Lin clearly gets gassed often. It might be one of the reasons for benching him more than Chandler and Harden, imo, granted his speed and style of play does take a lot more out of a player than usual. I know I can only put on a burst of speed only a dozen times a game without killing myself and forcing me to taking a smoke break, lol). Bottom line, his conditioning needs work.
     
  8. acshen

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    Not every player is statistically worse on 2nd nights of back to backs. In fact barely anyone is.

    Chris Paul - No effect
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    Damian Lillard - No effect
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    Deron Williams - No effect
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    Goran Dragic - Better with no rest/no effect
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    Jameer Nelson - Slightly better with rest/No effect
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    John Wall - Better with no rest
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    Kyle Lowry - No effect
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    Kyrie Irving - Slightly better with rest
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    Mario Chalmers - No effect
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    Stephen Curry - Slightly better with rest
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    Tony Parker - No effect
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  9. Old Man Rock

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    From a rocket only fan - This is kind of a stupid response. Do you watch the games? No Rocket plays harder on the floor than Lin. He pushes all of his God given talents to the max. he is on the floor an gets beat more than anyone. So it stands to reason he would wear down in the second half of b2b's. In fact it would highly unusual if he didn't.

    So you can argue he is not talented enough or is lacking in some parts of his game. But regardless what he does to increase his stamina there will be a dropoff in b2b's. All players have it just Lin leaves it on the floor every game and what he gives you is what he has.
     
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    Jeremy Lin style of play exerts more energy than most other guards. If you haven't noticed he almost ALWAYS runs the ball up the court. He also takes major beating in the paint. He will learn to play smarter with more experience.
     
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    Good post. Lin plays hard on both ends of the floor thus spends lots of energy. I think he could improve his conditioning though.
     
  12. meh

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    Well, to say players don't really get worse on 2nd night of back to back is disengenous. Because teams LOSE a lot more with 0 rest days. So bad stuffs happen to teams with no rest. Maybe they don't show up on a PG's box score stats, but you can't have players not performing as well, yet teams keep losing more.

    But still, thank you for the interesting stats, which does seem to show that statistically, PGs don't seem to show much difference.

    So the question is, can this get better? It's obviously not an experience issue, as Lillard and Irving aren't necessarily affected by it. So is it a style issue? If so, something we have to live with for the duration of Lin's career?
     
  13. pnr

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    I think if he works hard on his 3 point jumpshot he won't need to drive as much, which will save some energy. Also, at some point, we will probably be playing at a slower pace if and when we get a low post player, so that should also help.
     
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    He's also often the only one hustling back on defense when we turn the ball over and the other team initiates a fast break (such as in the Wolves game when it was a 3 on 1 and he managed to draw a charge).

    I do agree with Karolik though that his stamina needs to be better. I'll give him a pass this season since he's coming off knee surgery, but this summer he needs to work on his conditioning.
     
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    Well, at least we don't have to worry about back-to-backs in the playoffs. Just have to make it there first.
     
  16. SuperStar

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    He needs some deer antler spray.
     
  17. timyeung

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    Thank you for the post. I hope other fans notice and appreciate this too.
     
  18. acshen

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    I think you're right about overall team performance, but it doesn't manifest itself over career stats (largely offensive performance) for PGs at the least. It could be a matter of defense suffering more in general (letting people blow by them). That's even more worrisome if you're getting zilch from your PG on offense and defense on these nights.
     
  19. SuperStar

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    Lin only averages 32 min a game. He doesn't play harder than every Rocket on the floor. Harden averages more mins and carries the offensive load. This whole thing about him playing the hardest I find bull, Asik plays just as hard.
     
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    The Rockets have had more back-to-backs and I think 4-in-5s than any other teams before the All Star break, so that might also skew the comparisons to other PGs. Plus, the Rockets' system relies on running so much that it's going to have an effect. All of our starters FG% go down on b2bs, so it's not that strange that his assists would go down. Couple all of that with him trying to strengthen his knee, it's not that strange that he doesn't shoot as well on b2bs since shooting has a lot to do with leg strength. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about his stamina on b2bs until next season. Hopefully, the team won't have as many b2bs and 4-in-5s. I just think people are making too big a deal out of it this season. There are too many factors that go into why he does worse on b2bs compared to other PGs.
     

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