The South Still Lies About the Civil War & Slavery

The South? Didn't that go away in 1865?
Geographic immutability? Isn't that a lot like saying Germans are inherently evil?

Or do they not teach history and philosophy and such to y'all up there in Missoura?

 

Interesting. I vaguely remember what I learned in my Social Studies classes in grade school, but from what I can gather, I was taught (in AliefISD and CCISD) that it was a mixture of slavery and state rights. They kind of went hand in hand as the South still believed in having slavery which were southern states rights (Farmers wanted the free labor) where as the Northerners who were "more sophisticated" believed it to be inhumane and unnecessary. It really felt like 2 separate countries from how the school was teaching us. Growing up in Houston and reading how the South was back then, it felt like the South were evil-doers. I always thought the Confederate flag was almost nazi like, which may have come more from watching American History X and "White Supremacy"

 

From what I remember, less than 2% (it could have been more or less, going completely from memory) of the South owned the majority of Slaves. While the majority of the population might have thought they were fighting for states rights, it was the influence of this "aristocracy" that powered the South's cause.

 

Texas was never really a strong supporter of the confederacy and Texans don't identify with that part of history. We have have to Texas flag to cling to and the fact that we were our own nation after we stole the land from the Mexicans.

 

Born and raised in Texas, sat through all the Texas history classes, including one in college, and I consider myself a history buff. However, I couldn't even tell you anything about Lincoln's innaugural address. So giving Jefferson Davis' equal footing isn't saying much.

 

link?

 

Never realized you were over 150 years old.

You need to get on the news, since I'm pretty sure that is a record.

 

The primary reason was states rights versus the Union but why the states rights was an issue was for the states to have the right to own slaves. Even the language of Lincoln up until the Emancipation Proclamation had a lot more about preserving the Union rather than freeing the slaves. Early on in the Civil War Lincoln even considered allowing the South to keep slaves or at least compensating them for freeing the slaves if they would remain in the Union.

 

LOL...doesn't anybody stand up for anything anymore besides standing up to give a beatdown.

Are we going to hear about how we stole from Mexico forever and ever.

You know, you only think that moving forward by dragging the past with you is progress.

 

Lincoln to Horace Greeley

 

It's cowardly of you to call me out by name without providing even a shred of evidence to support it.

 

Interesting that Salon titled the article:

The South Still Lies About the Civil War & Slavery

And it contains this statistic:

White non-Southerners believed this in roughly the same proportion as white Southerners, which was interesting;

 

It's my belief most all the letters written by Civil War participants from the South said they fought mostly because of Tariffs and such

Whilest the Northern Civil War participants write it was about slavery

WHen trying to figure out what caused it, reading letters from first hand participants I'd say should paint you the picture of answers your after.

SO saying that it is really just how you look at it, as it was both plus a number of other more minor issues.

I would go along and say it was much more about the Tariffs and the like then about slavery though. As that is really the big instigator in starting it all from the revolters. Most northerners probably didn't know what all was really going on and some propaganda was probably afoot in making it all about slavery. In that respect while the south was really losing their asses in a bad deal for them.

However, as noble the causes of the southerners in why they were angry.. I'm really happy that there isn't anymore slavery.

 

Considering a small fraction of southerners actually own slaves, I don't believe it was about slavery. The politicians and wealthy no doubt encouraged the war to preserve their wealth in slavery.

The north went to war to preserve the union.

 

"The blacks" and smelly Indians say enough.

 

both examples are taken out of context by you

you know you're reaching and fabricating

 

Articles like this one look to me like a cudgel to beat upon the Southerner with. Slavery is a Southern problem. The South is to blame for the Civil War. The North is the righteous white knight to the antebellum black. You will be ashamed of your heritage. You may not celebrate the culture or traditions of your forebears because it is tainted by slavery. You cannot be proud of the great men or anything in the history of the South because it it tainted by slavery.

And the Southerner reads the subtext and says **** you. So, I think these kinds of articles, these reproaches for not conforming and not admitting to the truth, just makes the whole thing worse. Because people who want to condemn the Southerner-in-denial give the Southerner no space in which they can condemn slavery and yet still be proud of their heritage. And you see the same phenomenon internationally all over the place -- Germans wanting to embrace their heritage but reminded always of the Nazis; Muslims looking for respect but always embarassed by terrorists; China proud of its ancient power disgraced by the Rape of Nanking while the Japanese are likeways shamed by the Rape of Nanking despite being internationally benign since the war. Always there's someone to look down on you and shake their finger for something that happened decades ago. And it makes people upset and makes them sometimes posit irrational positions.

But, maybe a little more browbeating will get those Southerners to shape up.

 

Just like majority of Americans respect Muslims who denounce the acts of extremists most have respect for Southerners who do not embellish the Civil War and make excuses for slavery such as "Africans enslaved other Africans"

 

Unless you were being sarcastic it wasn't taken out of context.