Salaries of PGs of past championships since Jordan's retirement. Avery Johnson - 6th highest salary on the team Derek Fisher - 6th highest salary on the team Chauncey Billups - Star Tony Parker - Star/rookie salary before he was a star Rondo - Rookie salary Chalmers - Rookie salary Jason Terry - better than current Lin and stud in the playoffs Jeremy Lin - assuming we sign/trade for a max player, he'd be tied for 3rd in salary on the team. So no, a team does not require a star PG. But given Morey's penchance for min-maxing, he would want a "role player" PG to be paid role player money. Which is either rookie salary scale, or MLE type contract.
The fact that Lin can only get 11 shots in of itself is the issue. At this point he's not good enough to shoot more. I don't want him to go Rudy Gay and chuck. I want him to be good enough where he can shoot 15 times at above average efficiency(~55+TS%). Players almost always get worse with higher usage. Lin right now is limited to transition points, his hugely inconsistent jumper, and more inconsistent drive. Until he can be consistent with something, opposing defenses will not allow him to shoot more than 10-11 times a game without him being a chucker.
This seem to be a dubious argument at best, first, almost every situation above sees a different type of team, not to mention all of them were in the last CBA. And of course there is also the problem that we've also never seen Lin in the playoffs, and we also have not sure idea of what exactly Leslie's willingness to go into the tax is going forward, etc etc, there's a ton of factor there that , even if your Daryle Morrey, you might not be sure on every thing, let alone someone outside of that loop. One could also point out, if we're really going to use the Derek Fisher example, that A. Kobe was paid way more than Harden will be. B. they had 3 player in the star paying range, right now we have 1. C.Their had 6, yes 6 players making around 5-8 mill, we have 3 right now and 1 of them is surely gone after this year (Garcia.) Yes there are players who could potentially be better than Lin, but most would probably cost you near max money, and the odds are your not spending that max money to get a Chris Paul type super star, your spending it for a Steph Curry type which is, even if you assume the two player's difference margin stay the way it is, a doubtful upgrade at best. Or you could hope for rookie Contract, but I'll bet you the house that the odds of the Rockets drafting a Parker/ Rondo isn't very good. Chamler is a different beat, but you have to note that Chamler isn't REALLY the heat's PG, he's the "bring the ball up court" guy. if we had a Lebron James I would agree that we could just draft a solid ball handle rookie sure, but as good as Harden is, he's not and never will be, Lebron.
let me rephrase the above reference on Curry a bit, he is and likely will be better than Lin, but if your shelling 16m plus a year for that it is not clearly a better way to use the resource. If you can shell out money to get a true game changer PG, that is of course, a no brainer, but you can count with 1 hand on those guys, and the odds of the Rockets landing any of them without badly hurting the team in other areas seems near non existent. If the choice is then the star level, but clearly not MVP level type PG, then it starts to get more dicey, especially since they probably cost twice as much as Lin, but doesn't actually generate twice the Win Share. (guys who are likely to be more than twice as valuable as Lin as a PG is basically Paul / Westbrook / Parker and that's it, well and Rondo, at least in the post season. though Rondo have in the last couple years began to acquire a reputation to not care as much for the regular season. I would be shocked if the Rockets could get any of those guys without gutting the team badly AND pay them 20M a year.) I'm sure DM have his calculation, and he often pulls rabbits out of hats no one expect, but I see limited paths to upgrading PG without gutting the team, your probably better off hoping that Lin can improve to the point where he isn't that far from a Steph Curry, which seems within the realm of possibility anyway.
Why is everyone still saying Lin is inconsistent with his shooting? Dude is averaging 44% for the season which is decent, and this month he is shooting lights out at 50%. Harden is averaging 45% shooting for the season, think about it for a minute. Putting aside TS% since we are talking about consistency in shooting. The biggest concern about Lin (not a secret) is the discrepancy in his output when the team plays back to back, his shooting percent goes progressively worse: - 3 day rest : 50% - 2 day rest : 48% - 1 day rest : 45% - 0 day rest : 37% I think this is another version of the rookie wall, makes sense considering he has never played a full season in the NBA yet. I am sure Lin and the Rockets will figure this out. Yes I am a Lin fan but objectively speaking, Lin will end up being an above average PG in this league, easy.
You're far fetching a little. For him to average 18 and 8 he would have to have multiple games of 20+ games to make up for his off nights and I dont think he can average 8 assists unless we get a dwight howard of Klove who can finish. I would say how well he does depends on how much he works on his shot. At the MINIMUM, I think he can give you 14 and 7. Hes pretty much been at that level since the first month and hes still adjusting and improving. Depending on how well his shot improves, which it should, his ppg total could tick up to 16 or so. But ya, 18 and 8 is just way too unlikely, esp with Harden also dominating the ball and there being a lack of big men who can finish on this team. But thats ok, he doesnt have to be. The only guy averaging at least 18 and 8 is jrue holliday. I think I and the rest of us would be happy with 15 and 7 as long as he can be more consistent
Hate to break it to you but since December (a 51-game span as of today), Lin has been shooting 55.6 TS% on 12 FGA/36. And in fact, in February and March, he's been shooting 57.6 TS% on 13 FGA/36. Your second paragraph is also pretty off base. First of all, last season with the Knicks, Lin was shooting 55.2 TS% on around 15 FGA/36. This season, Lin has a 40.8 eFG% on jumpshots (46.5% from outside 16 ft), which is better than Russell Westbrook. He also shoots at an above league average 62.2% near the rim, comparable to Ty Lawson, Monta Ellis, Westbrook and even Harden.
I highly doubt lin doesn't shoot 2-3 more shots because he isn't good enough. Have you looked at our starting five unit? how we're top 4 in points scored by the starting five? Points are an abundance. Lin is a smart enough player to know when to shoot or not. His ts% is comparable to other pgs who shoot 14 fg attempts and over. People have forgotten how important the role of the pg is to the offensive flow of the game. It's easy to lose sight of that when you have players that were too short to play sg playing pg. I think you would love kenny smith and barkley's endless debate on what a pg should do. Pretty entertaining.
Thanks for those stats...not sure why some of these seasoned members are not excusing Lin at all for his Performance in November, when it was clear he coming off a moderately serious knee surgery, was still not 100%, and had to adjust to a totally different system than he had learned in training camp. When Lin has been 100%, he's been a 55-56% TS guy, and he's only 24!
Speaking for myself only, when Lin came to the team, I didn't think he was a superstar, but he was a new Rocket, just like Delfino pretty much. That's all. And I like all the Rockets. But lately I've noticed that Lin is associated in my mind with all the teenage b****ing on this board, "McFail" etc., and my enjoyment of his game has decreased. I'd enjoy Lin more if I didn't come to Clutchfans anymore. I'm sure lots of you will invite me never to come here again, so you needn't waste the posts on that, though you've never worried about excessive posting before. Thanks, all you race-motivated newcomers to Clutchfans. And by the way, there are no LOH's. There are only LOFH's.
Dude omg, the only teenager here is you. You keep posting in every thread how much you like Lin less now, get it in your head, no one cares about that. Lin fans are who we are, they will post what they want, unless Clutch decides to ban all of them, you need to just ignore those posts and stop whining like a little girl about how much your feelings for Lin is deteriorating because of them. It is very easy to avoid Lin and McHale related threads, you just choose not to.
As for race, here is another one, you come across as one of those ex American expats who enjoyed their time living in other continents for a while, say Asia, yet have this love/hate relationship with the people here, but regardless use your expat experience to somehow consider yourself culturally superior to other Americans. Close? Met quite a few of yous in my lifetime.
I feel the same way. And it's not just CF, its twitter and other Rockets boards. Pot meet kettle. You of all here need to stop with the people will post what they want, and you should ignore it WHEN the majority of your rants are about what people post.
As for race, here is another one, you come across as one of those ex American expats who enjoyed their time living in other continents for a while, say Asia, yet have this love/hate relationship with the people there, but regardless use your expat experience to somehow consider yourself culturally superior to other Americans. Close? Met quite a few of yous in my lifetime.
Wait what?? I never complained about what people should or shouldn't post, he is. I talk to the issues that I am interested in about Lin and the team, its you guys who are viciously attacking LOFs in a personal way for no other reason but because we support Lin.
Wow.. I complain/counter their point, doesnt mean I think they SHOULDN'T have posted it. Here its different, its like you guys are saying Lin fans should not post anything that they think is relevant. Thats a whole different issue. I mean other than defending Lin when he is called a scrub/fluke etc. and blaming the coach, which is VERY common in every pro sports board, what has Lin fan done that is so egregious???? Get off your high horse.
He called Lin fans race baiters, my comment was about how he is coming across to me. Nothing to do with Lin.
