Yes he took on loans from Chinese in exchange for generous oil deals with the Chinese. Venezuelan economy has been lagging behind the rest of South America for the last 4 years.
what? The things I talked about aren't coming from the govt. of Venezuela. They are coming from election monitoring groups, poverty statistics and news reports of lines that were literally more than one mile long of Venezuelans in line to pay their respects to their fallen leader. http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/51089581/#51089581
Yea, because the government never ever ever manipulated statistics. They never controlled media, nor did they ever have a firm grasp on financial output to the rest of the world. Also, how many areas got their funds taken to be funneled into Pro-Chavez territories in the nation... Yeah, them guys are running a clean program over there
What are talking about? NBCnews is being run by the Venezuelan govt.? World respected voting observation groups like the Carter Center are bought off by the Chavez govt.? Somehow the Venezuelan govt. was able to influence and corrupt the entire United Nation’s index of human development? That's where those stats come from. You don't have to like Chavez, and I've been critical of him as well. That doesn't change the facts though. What I've talked about are facts. Also, please have another post with rolleyes. The fact is that Chavez did abuse the press of Venezuela. There is no doubt about that, and I never claimed otherwise.
I can get a 2 mile line, all of them Obama supporters in Oklahoma, the most hostile state against Obama. Doesn't mean that Oklahoma is Obama land. To think everyone loved Chavez because of a 2 mile line, well, that is just being naive. If you think anything from the nation is gospel because it's on paper, be my guest. That's like saying the Federal Reserve can back up all our money in Gold because hey... We showed the world on paper we got it covered. Puh-Leez
First of all I doubt you could do that in Oklahoma. I didn't claim that everyone loved Chavez. But he was popular there and elected time and time again. If you're going to make claims that NBC News was mislead in their reports, the Carter Center was corrupted, and the United Nation’s index of human development was bought out by Chavez, then please show the proof. All of the above have earned respect for what they do, and have gone against wealthier and scarier people than Chavez. If you have reason to doubt them and the accepted fact that Chavez cut the rate of poverty from Venezuela cut its poverty rate to 29.5 percent in 2011 from 48.6 percent for a drop of almost 20 percentage points, then put up some proof. Life expectancy under Chavez increased and the poverty rate went down. You're free to not believe it, but I haven't seen any proof that the world respected organizations that reported those numbers were corrupted. If you have some, then please show it.
Certainly has more credibility than your opinion which is backed by ... nothing. Even detractors of Venezuela credit him for improvements in poverty, education, etc. The general argument is that the method he used to achieve those things is unethical - but no one (except you, apparently, with your magic secret knowledge) disputes that those improvements happened.
Just because you give poor people better, more fresh cheese does not mean they have a 5 course meal. Plus with the obvious attempts of damage control to improve popularity amongst Chavez and his government does not mean improvements were actually made. Just because you take away from one area, and distribute the money to larger areas to inflate statistics does not mean improvement was made. Only thing I'll give Chavez credit for is the improvement of transportation of goods throughout Venezuela. Which clearly was an improvement over the nothing they had before. Besides that, playing Robin Hood doesn't mean the inflated statistics= less poverty and higher quality of living. Yes millions were brought up out of poverty, while at the same time millions were thrown into poverty. As more and more begin losing their lives they built up, a few will collectively gain control of the monies being funneled to Pro-Chavez supporters. Yay for the poverty levels being lowered so the Chavez government can control more! Yay for the socialist!
Then don't argue. If you can't prove it, then don't argue with the agencies that have provided proof, and have a track record of respectability. You don't have to believe these organizations that have a track record for success, or respected throughout the world, and have evidence to back up their records. But if you don't believe them, and offer no reason for not believing them, then don't expect much of a discussion or people to take your position seriously.
Poverty as percentage decreased greatly under Chavez. Life expectancy increased under Chavez. It's fine to not like that his brand of socialism allowed that to happen.
Please show how this is correlated to Chavez. A hint: It isn't. http://timetric.com/index/life-expectancy-at-birth-male-years-venezuela-rb-wb/ Using your "logic", you could say that "life expectancy increased under ... [insert name of previous head of government]"
Life expectancy increased because rebel groups are killing each other less in the region, not because of anything Chavez actually did.
