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Is Jeremy Lin's race still a handicap? (rational responses only please)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Geronimo, Mar 8, 2013.

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  1. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    It was actually Les that asked Morey to pursue Lin aggressively this offseason. I bet Morey would have been ok with the Knicks matching Lin.
     
  2. BayMind

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    I question that website's calculation methods.

    Based on this, it says that the Rockets are 4 points better when Parsons is on the bench compared to playing. It also says Asik gives up more points than he scores, and also that Harden only gives up 13 points a game which is about half . Harden's guy that he guards always scores more than their season averages.
     
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    ^THIS^ if that's what he actually said because I have't heard it myself to verify it or the context.

    But he is sure entitled to his own opinion as well!
     
  4. Nook

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    Apparently he is "Clutch the Chinese hating moderator"..... who knew.
     
  5. Ultimate6thMan

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    Do you have proof for either of the TWO assertions? I recall Morey saying that he and Les both wanted to get Lin.

    Or are these just your assumptions?
     
  6. YaoMac09

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    Lin fans asking people for proof to back up their assertions, wow this is rich.
     
  7. real_egal

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    It's funny how you wanted to confirm first whether he said it, and then showed your support.

    Starting from the early season, I never had problem and even suggested bring Lin from the bench, if the coaching staff feels he's not the right complement for Harden. Corner 3 spotting up is not Lin's strength, aggressively mixing own attack and running offense is. I just think Rockets can make better use of team talents.

    With the noise/controversy surround that 4th quarter loss, as much as Clutch is entitled to his own opinion, I just felt it's probably unnecessary for him to say it on the radio, as a public figure in the Rockets world, <b>if he indeed said it</b>.

    Not to pamper some fragile hearts, but it's kind of early to draw such conclusion. The sample size of Beverly's real impact is small. We are quick to dismiss any Lin's better performances as fluke, but not to another young inexperienced player.

    I hope Lin proves the doubters wrong again, as he did many times in life, and I guess Clutch would be happy to be proven wrong, coz that would benefit the team, right?
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    No, his race gives him a + 2 bonus in basketball IQ and a +1 bonus in motor even though it cost him in terms a -2 penalty to athleticism and -1 jump shooting. He also receives +15% more experience points for each minute played compared to the baseline and +10% more skill points from studying analytic data. He is 12% more vulnerable to fire-based attacks and knee injuries but immune to lightening based attacks.
     
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  9. Pukimonster

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    Yes it's a handicap. And yeah it's 2013 so most of it is institutionalized (people don't realize they're projecting stereotypes).

    And I doubt Lin cares, much less any Asian American who's had to go through crap and has come out on top. If you know you got the skillset, you just fight the uphill battle and make everyone eat crow at the top. Complaining about it is a waste of time

    Who knows why McHale is benching a clutch player in clutch time in favor of a rook. Might be racial, might just be sheer stupidity, or maybe he sees something in practice nobody else sees. Lin is good enough he'll be sticking around regardless. Once he gets his jumpshot, which I'm pretty sure he'll have by next year, he's gonna be deadly and versatile
     
  10. Nook

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    PPS FG% 3% AFG TO AS/TO

    Beverley 1.322 437% 426% 550% 1.0 2.9

    Lin 1.195 437% 326% 480% 2.9 2.1


    The statistics support what CLUTCH said........ and defensively Beverley is better than Lin....

    Will Beverley be better in a month? Maybe not.... but right now what Clutch said is supportable.
     
  11. CONAN 888

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    berverly had 15 straight uninterupted min of run and couldn't score one point
     
  12. CONAN 888

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    yeah he better than j lin down the stretch
     
  13. IronicMan

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    I wouldn't be surprise if Morey is not in on this. As a statisticians, they shouldn't really put much stock on small sample size like Lin put up during that short period last season. Looking back at his synergy number, some of the numbers there doesn't scream sustainable. Probably the reason why he didn't opt to give a player option to Gragic, too. They have about similar number of games as a starter under their belt.

    Chris Broussard did an article on the issue.
    Yeah, with the "multiple sources" caveat.
     
  14. rocketsfan4

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    hahahahahaha
     
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    If Clutch said so, that is not a surprise. He said signing lin is a mistake before the season open. It is hard to say if Lin grows on him or not. Whatever, that is still just his personal opinion. He is the owner of this site, doesn’t mean he can represent this whole community.
     
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    Which is it? I thought that Beverley was finishing games.... that is usually not against scrubs.

    Look, I think Lin > Beverley, but what CLUTCH said is not absurd right now.
     
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    Beverly has lower TOs because he doesn't pass or create anywhere close to Lin's level. Unfortunately for him, the PG's primary duty on offense is to create and pass.

    I would say that a 100% fresh Beverly is better than a tired (or exhausted) Lin. That's why you have reserves and don't play your starting 5 the entire game. But a tired Beverly is NOT better than a fresh Lin, nowhere close.
     
  18. IronicMan

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    Defense from Synergy:
    Beverly: .98 PPP, Rank 373
    Lin: .87, Rank 197

    And the above stats and the one I provide was not adjusted to teammates and opponents on the court.
     
  19. kuku

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    Do you know who actually started this racial stereotyping of NBA players?

    Larry O'Brien!

    After merged with ABA, NBA was in serious crisis. The attendents were down, TV rating was down, and was in serious trouble with the public relations.

    NBA was looked down by the press and fans, who believed most players used illegal drugs. Those were the darkest days in NBA history.

    Then came the first Finals of Magic vs Bird. How do you think then Commisioner O'Brien hyped up the rivalry? He pulled the race card; black vs white! There were no better ways to max the hype.

    It was racial rivalry created by O'Brien that saved the NBA. Honest truth!
     
  20. Aruba77

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    we're the highest scoring team in the league. Lin should be averaging at least 7 assists playing in our offense.

    ...and are you really suggesting that Lin is better than Asik, Parsons, or Harden? Because that's not even a defensible position.
     
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