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McHale "(Lin) rather have 29pts and 9 TOs, I tell him 'we wanna win'""

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lucky Charm, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. Knickskiller

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    Zzzzzzz........ then?
     
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    sirbaihu still insisting on defending a losing game plan.

    On to the next game .
     
  3. pcheung08

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    Mchale to Lin:

    No sticky ball, move the ball you idiot. shoot the 3 while you are open. Get back to play on the ball as well as help defense.

    That's what Mchale wants from a pg.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I doubt Lin gets traded. Here's why. The other point guards were traded to build a core. Now we have a core. The goal is to win a championship. The only player protected is Harden, but Houston has already said to other teams that Parson, Lin, and Asik are not movable for now. So it's clear they want to see how this core develops. Ultimately, if Chris Paul becomes available. Lin might be gone. But the likelihood of that is close to zero.

    I think people here are frustrated that Lin doesn't get more playing time. But he still gets a lot. McHale is doing what he does. And you don't have to be happy with his decision, but it's not personal. And that's what Lin fans need to understand. It's not personal. He's just running his team. And maybe he wants more x instead of y. Maybe he measures pg performance by assists & turnovers, and Lin having 3 assists after 3 quarters is a poor performance, where Bev with 7 assists and 2 to's is fewer minutes is a lot better.

    So there ya go. People don't have to agree with it, but maybe they should at least think about it.
     
  5. andersongo

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    Few people here actually support the idea that McHale personally hates Lin and surely no ones here is judging McHale, the man. What is actually being evaluated is McHale as a coach, that is McSuccess. We are just saying that COTY candidate McSuccess sucks at running his team. Why is that hard for some vets to understand, no one knows.
     
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    Didn't Harden go 5 for 17...maybe if Lin stopped passing to Harden he would've had more than 3 assists...or if Harden made a couple more baskets.

    Hoping for a win tonight.
     
  7. holly1985

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    It's just double standard from McHale and some fans. Lin has had games with several assists and very few points but it's a bad game to him and McHale still pulled him out.
    I'm more worry about that maybe McHale doesn't agree with the way Lin plays. Maybe I'm just reading too much into this line.
     
  8. rokit

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    this actually happened, sampson said it. he wasn't very happy with the "made baskets assist ratio" at the half time. said that starters didn't move the ball well enough.

    isn't that kinda idiotic? they surely must have more advanced stats than that?
    if guys miss open shots or omer gets hacked all the time, it's basically lin's fault 'cause he ain't moving the ball well?
     
  9. BayMind

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    Funniest thing about this quote was Lin shot over 50% and had 2 total turnovers in that great win over OKC

    For McHale to say that after that game shows how clueless he is, and also a disturbing double standard and bias
     
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    Thanks, Jeremy, for bringing all the My Little Pony fans to ClutchFans. They don't know about basketball, but are expert on Jeremy's feelings.
     
  11. Razsan

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    Look at the assists. 5 of the 7 baskets were from 22 feet or more...heck 2 were from 26+. Beverly is not penetrating, he's deferring to other shooters and was lucky that they kept dropping bombs. Reminds me of the old Barry Sanders argument. They put a backup in and he averaged more yards per carry..so logically they should bench Barry for the 4th qtr. Considering he had no points in the game...Beverly also had no assists from the 10 minute mark till the end.
    Lin makes the Rockets a better team when he's out on the court. That's clear even to the Mavs announcers but apparently not that obvious to McHale.
     
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    He has the most high powered offense in the league! His team is performing way better than analysts predicted. HOw can you say he sucks at running his team?

    Because basketball isn't just about made shots, it's the type of shots you are making. I played a bit of organized ball, and the coaches didn't critique made or missed shots, or plays that happened to go well - they critiqued the position, the decision making, the type of shots and passes. So you can't just go by the box score.

    In watching the game, Lin seemed to be looking to score more than pass in the game. Maybe McHale took issue with it. I don't know. But I think it's a bit strange to say he sucks at coaching just because Lin doesn't play in the 4th qtr.
     
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    For the most part this is reasonable but we have seen numerous times where Lin gets benched for extended periods even when he has 5-6 assists in a single quarter! His benching then is explained away by Lin not scoring enough. One can always point to some facet of a player's game on any given night as to why he should be benched. But when it happens over and over to one particular player and for an extended period of time in crunch time regardless of whether he has been playing well or not and regardless of whether the substitute has been playing well or not... Well that's what people here mean by McFail.
     
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    Stop your battling with LOFs already. Your a grown man and should know better.
    You accomplish nothing but get your panties in a knot.

     
  15. Razsan

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    That's kind of odd since Lin seems to look for an open man nearly every time he touches the ball. To a fault he'll pass when in the paint instead of taking the 7-10 ft jumper. Maybe the problem is the offense is so predicated on running and shooting threes, that no-one knows how to move without the ball once they set the offense...Although Lin seems to be developing a chemistry with DMo in that regard.
     
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    Hmmmm. Is that what you're seeing now. So, you think Lin should pass and defer more instead of being aggressive... My, we have come full circle, haven't we. Just what do you want from dude, to score or not to score? If McHale or the "vets" on this site now say he should steal more like Beverley, is that the next meme you're going to be repeating.

    McHale and Sampson threw out there that Lin should be looking to score less, and even though the majority of the season everyone was looking for Lin to score more, now he's shooting too much? Lol~
     
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    Isn't Finch the guy who design the offensive system for the Rockets? From what I have seen, most of the coaches, the non-elite ones, usually only handle the rotation assignments, substitutions, players' morale, drawing crunch time plays, and stuffs like that while delegating the majority of the play callings to the assistant coaches. I've seen Mike Brown did it (cue the Mike Brown's standing alone while Kobe draw up a play "picture"), probably Mark Jackson too (they have one of the top assistants in Mike Malone), etc.
     
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    I believe the coaching staff has always wanted Jeremy to pass more and score less.
    It was the fans who wanted him to be more aggressive and score more.

    Lin's recent benching may be because of this. Lin does not want to become a Derek fisher or Mario Chalmers however that is what McHale sees in him.
     
  19. BayMind

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    It's odd but the numbers definitively show that the Rockets win over 2/3 of the time when Lin shoots 14+ times a game, or has 3+ turnovers a game. Him being hyper-aggressive leads to team wins. When he was on the Knicks, he might get an extra 2 turnovers but the entire team as a whole would have less turnovers.

    I think the reason may be that when he makes those passes from being aggressive, that his teammate usually has a very easy score, so those passes either lead to extremely high percentage shots or a turnover. As long as he is only getting a few more turnovers a game and not a ton of turnovers, it's fine. Even in games where he was heavily criticized for turnovers, his entire team did not have a high total turnover number.
     
  20. Razsan

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    That's very similar to the Rajon Rondo mindset. He drives the lane looking to see who bites...if they don't he goes in for a layup. If they do, he kicks it out to whoever has an open look.
     

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