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McHale "(Lin) rather have 29pts and 9 TOs, I tell him 'we wanna win'""

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lucky Charm, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. sirbaihu

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    Hey LOF fans: here's the news you missed. The Rockets are having a pretty good season with a very fun team, and they're solidly in the playoff race. The Rockets haven't been in the playoffs for a while, and long-time fans are enjoying this season. I, for one, will credit McHale for the wins as much as the losses. So I'd say he is a winning coach right now. I'm really enjoying this season. Too bad you guys are not: you sure do whine about a winning season a whole hell of a lot.
     
  2. Orange1

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    Clutch,

    Thanks for your answer. You kind of direct me to the right direction. :p

    I happened to stop right there (not imagine wildly). However anything is possible.

    I respect Mr. McHale as an HOFer. But his BBall on court mgmt skills left a lot to be desired not because of JLin but ISO balls all the way and/or no set plays.

    One superstar along can not get it done even in a bid to go playoff.
     
  3. J-Wolf

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    I think it's obvious now McHale has issues with Lin, and it's obvious that Harden's style is in conflict with any pass-first/distributor type PG. I don't think Harden/Lin/McHale will ever mesh well. Better trade Lin for a more compatible piece while the stock is high, and it might be a win-win for both Rox and Lin. I can totally see him flourish in a traditional distributor type of PG role with one or two very good shooters and a strong center.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This is to all you LOF's who are going crazy right now:

    Remember that this is a Houston Rockets board. We want Lin to succeed. But we love our team first. When you come in here dissing the organization, talking about how Lin needs to be traded to be set free, that McHale is a terrible coach for containing Lin, how Harden is selfish and hurting Lin's game, complaining that Lin wasn't in during a win or loss - it's not only annoying, it's OFFENSIVE. It's an insult to us as Rockets fans and basketball fans. We are very passionate about our team - most of us have been following the Rockets for many years. Some of us have been following the Rockets long before Lin was even born. And many of us have played basketball and followed it for so many years - we know a thing or two about the sport. Doesn't hurt to listen to the reasonable voices on this board.

    Look, we embrace Lin and root for him like we do all our players. He's a Houston Rocket - we are all Lin fans and will always cheer him on even when he no longer wears the ketchup & mustard assuming he doesn't pull a T-mac. I'm happy he's here and I'm happy that it draws so many new fans. It's exciting and it's been a long time since we got to be excited about something. I think Lin has a very bright future as a point guard and this is just the beginning of his development. So just relax and don't react after ever game. Players take years to grow into a role and excel sometimes. 2 steps forward. one step back. Give it some time.

    And please remember, this forum isn't called Lin Fans. It's Clutch Fans. Learn a bit more about the team, the history, and the fans of this great franchise. If you want people here to respect you here, try to embrace this team and root for the Rockets as much as you do Lin.

    Maybe you'll be less frustrated and have more fun too. All of us will.
     
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  5. Arthurprescott2

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    That's just speculation again. McHale's decisions have been questionable. But why not just chalk it up to incompetence rather than some strange bias he might have against Lin (of which there is no conclusive evidence)?

    Don't let all the crazy talk infect your mind.
     
  6. MonKing

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    Thanks Lou. That ought to clear things up. Don't expect we'll be hearing any more from Lin fans now.
     
  7. J-Wolf

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    Lin brought many fans to Houston. Rather than yourself (probably living in Houston), they want Rockets to succeed not because of the location they reside, but because they love Lin. This reason is by no means less noble than your own. We love Rockets for different reasons, nonetheless, we are all Rockets' fans because we want Rockets to succeed. Lin cannot succeed while the team is failing.

    However, Harden's style does in fact contradicts to pass-first PG, not because he is selfish, but because his versatility. I believe this is part of the reason why McHale can affortd to bench Lin in crunch time. This in the long run hurts Rockets as much as Lin. You have a high value asset sitting on the bench, not being developed to his full extend, while paying him 25mil for 3years. You could have a more compatible piece, i.e., less of a distributor, more of a shooter, to help the cause. Why not? Why is this offensive?
     
  8. SuperStar

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    No, they want Lin to succeed above anything else and then the Rockets. If Lin gets benched, and Rockets win, that's 100 pages of complaining. They trash everything and everyone if they don't get what they want.
     
  9. OpportunityCost

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    As a Rockets fan, I was okay with McHale sitting Lin in the 4th against Dallas as Bev IMO was playing great. I however hope as a Rockets fan we can one day obtain a crafty, shrewd offensive-minded coach who doesn't just rely on the players one-on-one skills to initiate all of the offensive. It works at times but not ALL of the time and there should be a plan-b like a half court set.

    Like I said before, Lin will be okay. He is set for life financially. Even if this is true that he is being treated "unfairly" he will be okay. I however as a Rockets fan am more concerned in the Rockets winning as this provides me with enjoyment, and I don't think McHale is the best person to be in this role based off what I've seen last season and this season. I am sure he's a great person, and I wish him the best, but I really wish we had a more strategic coach who employs a more dynamic offense rather than just winging it and relying solely on the players wits to initiate the offense. If they're so young, shouldn't they have some more direction?
     
  10. J-Wolf

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    There are rational fans and irrational fans. People are not always on the same intellectual level. To view all Lin fans the same is actually stereotyping and offensive.
     
  11. SuperStar

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    I don't view all of them like that. I like some of them. Lin fans vs Lofs.
     
  12. Doppleganger

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    Lin is one of the most (if not THE most) polarizing players in the league. His name and celebrity is so strong that by now, everyone should know that all his fans and media attention are part and parcel with what he brings to the table. In fact, that was one of the original reasons why Morey brought Lin to Houston in the first place aside from his game; to generate buzz and keep national spotlight on Rockets during the rebuilding process. There's no point in complaining about it.
     
  13. pcheung08

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    A 2006er like you is labelled as LOF, interesting.

    I do not worry about Lin. He will develop by himself alone without the need of the coach's help. You can see his improvement already this year on the fly.

    If the coaches continue to show no respect or do not think he is the starting pg material, Houston will just loss him to the other team. It would not hurt Lin a bit. And I do not believe Les would trade Lin before his contract is up.
     
  14. Benchwarmer

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    Yeah, Rockets are 4 games over .500 with Lakers, Mavericks, and even Trailblazers breathing down their necks. Why would any fan be satisfied with an underperforming team with no chemistry, and awful coaching. A few more losses and it's bye-bye playoffs ... Unless you're in a losing draft picker mentality of "Next Year, Next Year, there's always Next Year" ...
     
  15. apollo33

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    how are we under performing, what is this delusion.
     
  16. Second_Cousin

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    Yawn...

    So this is just about "vintage"? Whether or not I have been a Rox fan long enough compared to you? So the Rox are "your" team and I'm just a "guest" here. Alright.

    Listen does having Lin on the floor help "you" win or not? If not, why wouldn't "your" organization trade him (or better yet why did "you" sign him to begin with?). Isn't your defending McFail an insult to the GM of "your" team when he benched for 15 minutes two of "your" cornerstone pieces in close game when they were playing well in the middle of a playoff race?

    Why dont you enlighten us with your years of basketball wisdom since surely this strategy was used previously in other championship dynasties.
     
  17. oelman44

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    Idk about McHale honestly. I can't whine about a winning record but I just don't think he is that great of a coach. His substitutions are head scratching, and he just cannot run an offense as well as Adelman did at all. I loved the way Adelman made the team run and mesh, as he turned offbeat players into prolific offensive assets, like Aaron Brooks, K-Mart, Budinger, P-Patt's best year was w/ Adelman, etc.

    It seemed like he would build up their confidence offensively while McHale seems to alienate players in a way. Like Lin this year, Lowry and Martin last year. It's hard for these players to grow confidence and develop when McHale shows 0 confidence in them himself.
     
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    WWLD? (What would Lin do?)

    Would he really want Rockets' fans to cheer his stat line over the team results? Maybe we should follow his lead on team first.

    If I recall correctly, even Derrick Chievous had a hot streak of games in his rookie year. Lin has shown improvement throughout the year, but needs to work on his consistency. There is no conspiracy to keep him down.
     
  19. oelman44

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    I don't care about Lin's statline, I just think last night McHale was just being dumb. No PG should play 15 minutes straight to close out a game, definitely not a hustle defensive bench/fresh from D-League guard who didn't score one point last night. In the playoffs you really got to stick with your core, we can't have whoever the hot bench players are playing tons of minutes. Not smart coaching IMO.
     
  20. kastuul

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    If the team have enough player to score and P.Bev is really better than Lin in match-up defensively, he should play the last minutes.
    But that's not true.
    Only Harden made play and scored for the team.

    McHale just wanted to prove to Morey that he should sign Lin and Asik.
     

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