Improvement. That's all you can ask for.

I don't understand the point of this. I hope it's not to discredit Lin's improvement since the beginning of the season. I'm pretty sure the OP knew what day it was when he made this thread and i'm pretty sure he and the rest of us know that there's still a lot of March to be played.

 

That's what they said in the February version of these threads. Turned out his improvement did pan out over the whole of the month.

 

It's because every real basketball fan in the whole world would rather have Tony Parker's 8 additional point, higher shooting percentage, one additional assist, than Lin's 1 additional steal or Lebron's 11 additional points on ridiculous shooting percentage and 4 rebounds over Lin's 0.5 additional steals.

How about Mike Conley who has almost the exact numbers as Lin except for about half rebound?

I could come up with a set of parameters the would make Asik look like the best center in the NBA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...fg_pct&c5comp=gt&c6mult=0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

We get it. Lin is a pretty good point guard, but this type of statistical analysis is incomplete at best and dishonest at worst because of the lack of context.

 

As I pointed out in a similar situation (Harden?) before, this only means that Chris is better than Jeremy in EACH AND EVERY one of the 5 categries you chose. Nothing else. Crazy?

Even if one filter parameter (STEALS) is used, the result will be a short list of 6 players only. The other categries serves the purpose to filter out the other 4 players and make the results looking like an overall evaluation of the NBA players. Crazy?

Easy, easy.

 

Wow ok, still on this.

In my original post, I made 2 points and included one fun stat.

Point 1: PER36 is a better stat than P/G because players don't have even minutes. We should all be using PER36 or PER48 to compare player stats across the league. It just makes too much sense not to.

Point 2: Lin had 2 All-Star caliber months according to PER36 and is on his way to another in March.

Fun Stat: Only Lin and Chris Paul accomplished X, Y, Z stats on a PER36 basis.

Why is everyone only focusing on the Fun Stat and ignoring my main points? Probably because there's no arguments for those huh?

Remember when ESPN said Parson was the first guy since Bird to score 30+ with a 93% shooting percentage while taking at least 5 3-pointers? It happened! So what if it's a limited sorting criteria, it happened and it hasn't happened since the 80s. It's a Fun Stat. Nothing more, nothing less, take it for what it is.

I did not write my post with the intention of arguing a case about Lin. I just presented data. I don't have a concrete opinion of Lin, as I personally don't care much for him. When I looked up the PER36 numbers, I was just curious who averaged the same PER36 numbers. Turns out only CP3 and Lin. I didn't know those were the only two people that would be on the list.

Now, Rockbox and others, you guys are harping on my throw-in stat which was only added for fun and ignoring the main points that I made. I'm really not going to invest too much energy trying to argue about the throw-in stat.

I will say this however, so far, all the "counter arguments" are just proving that Lin is a very good player. If that's the intention, then they are just further arguing my point.

And Rockbox, the "counter stat" using Asik's numbers also further proves my point. Asik is only a statistical anomaly because he's really good. He's the only player in the league to average at least 10 points and 13.9 REB PER36. Really the only two times you can get statistical anomalies is if you are at the ends of the spectrum - really good or really bad (hence why they are called anomalies). Both Lin and Asik are really good.

 

Ok, I read your post before I had my morning coffee.

Is Tony Parker a free agent? Can players switch teams anytime they want? I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have Parker over Lin right now. That obviously isn't possible. I never said that Lin was better than Parker or Lebron or anyone on that list. Why did you think I did? Because Lin is on the same page as Parker? So you made the illogical leap? That list that I presented is not a list of every great NBA player, it's just people who had better numbers than Lin's PER36. Again, I'm just presenting data. You're making more of it than it really is.

You know, I don't think you understand stats all that well. The numbers I chose for my query WERE NOT ARBITRARY. I choose them because they were Lin's PER36 season number AND I WAS LOOKING FOR COMPARABLES. If you were looking for comparable how would you do it? Wouldn't it be logical to, you know, start at the players season numbers?

What you're doing is arbitrary and that's irresponsible statistics. Yes I can lower all the numbers to include everyone. In your mind, it's OK to lower REB by .5? Why not lower by 3 or all the way to zero? Do you not understand how that would be the definition of arbitrary? My goal was to find Lin comparable based on PER36. CP3 was the only one - a 3x better version of Lin.

Secondly I linked to the b-ref page to show you my filters so you can play around, adjust as you like. That's being open about my stats, something I wouldn't do if I'm trying to "deceive with stats". It doesn't really matter how you filter the stats, as all the numbers will show you Lin is up there as a good PG.

 

He would have been an All-Star this year if he was still in the East.

 

For perspective, here are all the 2012-2013 NBA players that average 11.3 FGA, 4.0 AST, shooting 45.8% or better, and TOV 2.4 or less (these are Brooks's PER36 numbers for the season):

Chris Paul
Aaron Brooks

That's it.

Crazy right?? See for yourself.

 

No offense intended. Just for fun.

 

I don't know why people are so obsessed with a guy who might not even be a Rocket in the offseason. This goes for both LOFs and LOHs.

Lin's going to be traded for an expiring so Morey can go after the 2014 FAs.

 

Don't forget about TRob.

 

Great points.

 

I don't know why you are so obsessed with your own delusion.

Lin is NOT going anywhere else this coming offseason. Want to bet?

 

That's crazy.

 

That is by design, the Rockets want their point guard defending on the perimeter and leaking on the break. While it would be nice if he got 4 Rebs a game, not what Finch wants.