It's an era dominated by PGs because PGs now have the ball in their hands not only to set up a team and facilitate, but also to score. Better training methods have enhanced their athleticism to finish over taller players at the rim, and the no hand-checking rule gives them more space for penetration. Hence utilisation rates are typically very high for PGs. I would guess PG as a position has the highest utilization rate in the NBA. So the comparison for Lin against other NBA PGs in terms of PER etc will hardly be apples-to-apple when 27 other teams don't have ball-dominant SGs/SFs. Fair comparison would be against Chalmers, Fisher (in previous years) etc. I've written a post about how PGs that have played next to MJ, Kobe or Lebron have PERs ranging from 9-15 (15 is the highest, 8-12 is frequent), and even the likes of Nash and Payton after joining the Lakers or Wade after Lebron joined have their PERs decline by about 4. PER is not a perfect correlation with utilisation rate, but both are highly correlated. So first the Lin vs avg NBA PG comparison isn't great (as explained before). Second, you can't really compare utilization rates between PG and SF (Parsons) without knowing the average utilisation rate by position. And in this case, Lin has a pretty damn low utilisation rate. And third, we're not comparing Lin to a specific player. We're comparing him to the average at his position. Fourth, you earlier said Lin already had a 17% (is that correct) higher utilisation rate than Parsons, but Parsons shoots better. That is hardly a good argument. I would bet my life you can find many players on the Wizards team with higher shooting percentages than John Wall, but lower utilisation rates. And it isn't even close. You probably can't find many players with a John Wall combination of high utilisation rate, average PER (~16 to 18 in his 3 seasons), and low shooting percentages. Wall's utilization rate is 27.6% this year (basketball reference), with 16PER, and 2pt shooting % of 42% and 3% shooting % of 7%. And his lowest utilisation rate was in his rookie year with 23.8%. So yeah, you do have to compare utilisation rates by position, especially for PGs because they have the ball in their hands a lot, and in the case of playing next to ball dominant players at SG/SF, you'd expect lower PER and probably overall output so you have to adjust for it.
John Wall...2nd year in a row he's shooting 7% from three point....7%!!!! Also turns the ball over almost 4 times per game for his entire career...yet everyone still thinks he's the next big thing and every season is going to be the season where he will "break out". Can't believe his usage is so sky high when he obviously can't produce.
People need to stop using USG it is an awful stat. Basketball is a game of possessions if you want to talk about how involved a player is in the offense use possessions.
Oh, I guess you agree with me then. Yes, I also believe that for a PG playing next to a ball-dominant SG/SF, Lin is getting used much more than what you'd normally expect. Hence I don't understand why there are so many fans who think McHale is under utilizing him.
Okay I guess I should not pretend I understanding what utilization ratio is. I just thought Harden played a lot minutes and Lin as the point guard often did not have the ball in his hand and he ranked 26th in field goal attempts among all PGs. Just curious, in general, does a point guard get utilized more than other position simply because he has the basketball in his hand more often than other players?
Well, I will answer my own question - yes PG's usage rate tends to be higher than other positions. Harden ranks 4th in USG among all SG. Parsons ranks 21st in USG among all SF. Lin ranks 40th in USG among all PG. There.
The point guards in this system take the ball up the court, dribble by the guy standing on the 3 point line and pass it to him as you wrap around to camp at the 3 point line 6 feet away. This happens about 20 times a game. How the hell can you keep running this setup 20 times a game? This system is not for scoring point guards. But perfect for Harden and Parsons and probably Asik.
Waste of bandwith. He's not CP3 nor will he ever get close. Unreal expectations from his fans. Just let the dude play instead of starting 100 different threads. This is absurd
Why fans still compare within positions despite obvious disparity in talent and think that's "fair" is beyond me, since every player is different and every team is different. But whatever. I'll play your little game. Those stats seemed to have come from Hollinger espn list. So here's to compare Jeremy Lin with players in other positions. Jeremy Lin is 40th in usage rate among PGs, 35th in PER. The 40th usage rate for SG and SF are Jared Dudley and Jae Crowder. The 35th ranked PER for SG and SF are Marshon Brooks and Ron Artest. I don't know about you, but I personally believe that Jeremy Lin is better than all the players listed above, and would not degrade him by comparing him to such players in an attempt to "show" how the Rockets are "underutilizing" him. I have too much respect for Lin's ability and him as a player to make such obviously non-sensical comparisons.
Wall has led the hapless Wizards to a over .500 record since his return. Despite his poor shooting, Wall completely changes that team.
Yeah I admit I am a Lin fan but I try not to put out an opinion or judgement. I just want to understand the numbers. It is quite clear that the more talented a player is, he tends to be utilized more. But the opposite is not necessarily true. When you have an outstanding player in your team, you will be utilized less comparing if you are at a talent deprived. I remember Durant's shot wasn't all that good at his rookie year but he could shot at will and now he's such a great shooter. With Harden, it is fair to say Lin has to sacriface his game a little. If Lin is in a lottery bound team and he is the primary focus, his number might look better and his development would be faster. Of course there is no complain, he is paide big bucks to play for the team.
Congratulations to Jeremy on his first back-to-back-to-back 20+ point game of the season. And in fact, his first back-to-back-to back 20+ point game of his career not as a 1st option. A sign of less Linconsistency, and more stardom?
or tony parker. or rajon rondo. or steve nash. you ever watch those guys play when they first started out? play ****ty, play great, play ****ty, play incredible, play ****ty, play like an all star.
