1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Stratfor's step by step guide to taking a dump on Venezuelan sovereignty

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Kojirou

    Kojirou Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    6,180
    Likes Received:
    281
    *shrugs*
    And why do Communists need to trade with capitalist pigdogs in the first place again? Saying Cuba's policies working would cause America to want it is no more different than saying that Americas will want authoritarianism/Communism after the rise of China.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    I'm just wondering if you have ever been right on anything in your whole life. Since you started posting here, I can't remember an instance.
     
  3. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    I'd say he's pretty damn accurate. Factual history is hard to argue with, which is why you don't see any talking heads taking on Chomsky.
     
  4. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    It's true. I know many Cubans, real poor ones not the rich ones who bolted, and have studied the subject. You've done neither. So stay quiet.
     
  5. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    I think the whole board wonders the same about you.
     
  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    21,115
    Likes Received:
    22,578
    I said Americans not America/Americas.

    Americans, like everyone else, would want communism if it was implemented properly and the results were stellar. Just like Americans would want capitalism if it were implemented correctly and the results were stellar.

    But we sit at a point in history where communism and socialism have not been implemented well enough to make an assessment, thanks to internal f-ups and also due to American intervention. We also are at a point in history where the capitalist project has shown its IMO few strengths and many weaknesses and therefore people are looking for something else. However the heavy indoctrination of/through America to the effect of "communism/socialism is the devil's seed" + for other countries "if you can't defend yourself and you have wealth then missiles will rain down on you unless you open up your markets" has delayed the true testing of other systems except in patches of Europe and most recently... "defiant" South America.

    I'm not sure why this surprises you. You admitted in the other thread that you don't find anything inherently bad/good about democracy/totalitarianism as long as you are personally happy with your standard of living. Why then would everyone else give a F if it's capitalism/communism as long as they are happy with the outcome?
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    21,115
    Likes Received:
    22,578
    Considering the outrage on this board at the prospect of the UN just OBSERVING US election voting from a distance, there sure seem to be a lot of people willing to shrug their shoulders at this kind of thing. Lest you think the UN is less impartial than Stratfor, in which case I truly feel sorry for you.
     
  8. CrazyDave

    CrazyDave Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,027
    Likes Received:
    439
    I agree, we need to elect better leaders here in the USA.

    I normally try to give Mathloom's posts respectful attention, but this time it's left me considering ignoring him. It's just getting old, the jaded, angry perspective.

    I guess just once it would be nice to see him call someone else out.... or to see him try not to trump something up for effect. This is a private company. You can assume what you wish, but bottom line is the connections you imply are not fact. The accusations you throw in this case are not as factually incendiary as you portend, unless one shares your other views of our Gov't. I don't claim to say this means you are completely wrong, just trying too hard to point fingers.

    Does that mean we are perfect, or beyond reproach? Not at all, these things are worthy of discussion, but the usefulness of your insight dwindles, in my eyes, the more deliberately partisan it seems to become. We get enough of that around here. Be glad we're not discussing leaked information from the country you call home. I doubt any of us, you included, could defend all the actions of those in power in our respective countries.

    I will refrain from the ignore, as I think the perspective is still valuable, but I lend less credence to it as it seems to be more reactionary, jaded, and deliberate.
     
  9. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,920
    Likes Received:
    39,925
    Comparing Stratfor writing emails and opinion papers to the UN monitoring elections?

    You seem to have either a hyper inflated sense of what Stratfor is and the impact they have, or you have a hyper deflated sense of what the UN is.
     
  10. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,683
    Likes Received:
    16,209
    I'm not sure you understand what Stratfor is or does.
     
  11. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    65,257
    Likes Received:
    32,973
    What was necessary to remove the embargo?

    Seems like what was necessary was. . . DO WHATEVER THE ***** WE TELL YOU TO DO . . .then we will release the embargo.


    Rocket River
     
  12. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    65,257
    Likes Received:
    32,973
    Would what they do be similar to what the KOCH brothers do here in America?

    Rocket River
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    You wish.

    The words of someone who considers Republicans terrorists hold very little weight.
     
  14. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,920
    Likes Received:
    39,925
    No. Stratfor is an American company that does analysis and publishes that information for profit.

    It's like a security/international relations think tank, but not exactly. Mathloom's excitement is completely misplaced here.

    Mathloom freaking out about Stratfor reminds me of the recent episode of The Americans where all the Russian spies think that when Reagan is shot and a general gives a news conference that it means a coup is occurring. They freak out and think it's time for guerrilla warfare in the United States.
     
  15. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,057
    Likes Received:
    15,231
    I didn't have any outrage over the UN thing. But, I can't muster many hackles over this either, though I probably should. Medlding in the sovereignty of foreign governments is unethical. But, it's so routine for the US, the shock value is all gone. I'm accustomed to my country doing all kinds of crooked stuff in the realm of foreign relations, ostensibly for my benefit. I'd only by shocked if I found out we were not engaged in some clandestine efforts to oust Chavez, given how we talk about him publicly.

    Originally, the US was pissed about American business assets seized without compensation -- the casinos and plantations whose exploitation caused the revolution in the first place. Since then, the embargo has taken on a life of its own. The whole thing has been stupid for the last 20 years, and indeed since the beginnning, but it preserves itself.
     
  16. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    Says the person who supports a murderous dictator and hates Muslims.
     
  17. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,920
    Likes Received:
    39,925
    Who is the dictator that ATW supports?
     
  18. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    I believe da1 is referring to ATW's opposition to arming Syrian rebels, and his disdain towards the Egyptian revolution.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,168
    Likes Received:
    48,335
    Allow me a brief plunge into conspiracy but I can't help but wonder if there is more Chavez's death that seems to be.
     
  20. NotInMyHouse

    NotInMyHouse Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,644
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    Perhaps, though I don't buy the bit about US as the root cause of Chavez's cancer. If he was poisoned a la Litvinenko or Arafat there would be some residual effects that could be traced.
     

Share This Page