Rockets acquire Thomas Robinson; Morris traded to Phoenix; Patterson, Douglas, Aldrich to Kings

Robinson still had a lot of the qualities that made him the fifth pick. It will be harder to make playoffs. He had the potential to be a very good defender and rebounder. On offense, he has the potential to be a screener.

He has a lot more potential than you are giving him credit for. He can still bust. For what the Rockets have up, it is an obvious steal in my book. Patterson is a nice player, but does not have upside Robinson has.

 

Hey wait! I never said anything bad about T-Rob. I'm in full support of the trade that brought him here. I like Patterson and all, but I went on record months ago that I though that he and Morris would and should be traded to give playing time to D-Mo and T. Jones because I felt they had much more upside. The only way to get anything good for them would be to play them and inflate their value. We still only got a 2nd for Morris though lol. Anyways, I thought that we were hiding our real talent at the position so that people wouldn't request them in trades. I refused to believe that they were outplaying those guys in practice.

T-Rob is the most athletic player on the team right now and he is a baby. So much potential there it isn't even funny. We haven't had a player at the 4 with this kind of raw ability in I don't know how long. He is fast, he can jump out of the gym, he is quick, he is strong, and he can handle the ball. McHale said he thinks that he has the athletic ability to guard shooting guards and small forwards which would give them the ability to switch on defense more with him out there and give a different look defensively that they haven't been able to until he got here. That guy has beast written all over him if he is willing to work on his game. It remains to be seen if he'll ever put it all together, but I'm rooting for him. He can play 5 more bad games in a row after this one and I still believe that you have to give this kid an offseason to work on his game before you can even think about judging him. He is just raw ability right now. He needs to be given a chance to really learn how to play and to take advantage of his many natural abilities. Most players at the 4 spot would kill to have his tools.

 

SAC actually has been doing quite well with Patterson, Uglas, and Aldrich added. There is some enthusiasm in SAC lately over the trade there, despite initial reservations. Aldrich in very limited minutes has gathered some "Free Aldrich" SAC fans who want Aldrich to take the Chuckwagon's minutes...because blocks. LOL.

 

lol - take a breath..."over the top?"...again...lol...breath...

I am merely taking the other side. But some can only see this as a positive which you can say it's premature to be down on, but isn't the same true for other side? Slow the roll on the how this play out for the good? You want to hammer one side into oblivion while talking freely on the other. Maybe a sign of too much time in the D&D?

I personally think this was a bad trade. Period. I hope I'm wrong but I felt we were heading the right direction but now it will be harder to put up the Ws and make the playoffs which I was personally looking forward to.

I wanted to make the playoffs, even if it was a 1st round bounce, because I feel it would have been very beneficial and put some serious swagger into their step while also rising the trade value of every contributor on the team for that next trade.

I wanted to smell that excitement of playoffs and see how this young crew stacked up under the lights.

I wanted to give up that 1st round pick obligation on dumpy draft year no less so it could free up other trade assets.

I wanted to hold off the Lakers push and watch ESPN hang their head in shame though I'm probably wrong there because they will just talk about what happened to the Lakers this year and how they'd match up with each playoff team during each playoff halftime break.

All that was jeopardized with that 1 trade for someone I don't feel was worth all of the above.

An opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Just an opinion from the other side.

 

Apologies, must have gotten my wires crossed.

 

If the hyperbole and extremism fits

$10 to the tip jar if you find and date my last post in D&D.

"My side" - let's see how this plays out.
"Your side" - This trade was an EPIC FAIL!!!
Sorry, but you and the clown paTroll threw every egg and tomato you could find at this move before Robinson played a single game...and most of you clearly, obviously never watched him play more than twice before the trade.

Fine by me. But if you decide to post 5+ times a day bashing it, and it turns out to be a good move, don't be shocked or play victim when you and Carl get called out for it.

All that past tense. I guess that's the other difference here - I still actively want and expect all of the above to happen. And it should take place without a couple of subpar placeholders at the 4.

 

I did preach "let's wait and see." I don't think the trade was a bad one. I just think it is not as great as a lot of people are tooting without even waiting to see what Robinson can really do. The most cited reasons for the excitement are:

He's a #5 pick.
He's athletic.
He can rebound.

None of these qualities tell you what kind of NBA player he will become.

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Some other reasons have nothing to do with how good Robinson is:
Patterson is trash.
Morris is worthless.
We need to give DMo the PT.

Again, none of these tell you why we need to trade for Robinson, not to mention the first two reasons are not true.

 

yeah lets wait and see cause Paterson can become all star...

 

Me too. When he came over to the Rockets he said his career will prove the type of player he will become. It won't happen over night like a lot of people here were expecting.

He may not become a star but I think he will be very good in this league, and a lot of people who trashed him before will be eating crow.

 

The trade added some volatility to the season. Some time for adjustment. Some extra work for the coaches and players. But in the end, we are going to come out a better team. And by "the end", I don't mean in the long run, I mean already. Motiejunas in his very brief time in the past 3 games has already provided more IMPACT minutes than Patterson has the past 3 years. There is a reason why DMo's +/- has went through the roof since starting. He creates tremendous synergy with the other starters. And don't think for a second that McHale/Morey didn't see this coming. We are a better team now, already, than pre-allstar break.

I highly doubt anyone in the organization is even thinking about the Lakers. I know I'm not. Jazz. Warriors.

If you want to make some noise, look ahead. Not behind.

 

Agreed. And I also think a factor in Patterson's decrease in production is no longer playing with Harden/Lin, who are both great facilitators and take up a lot of a defense's attention.

 

Wow. I understand everyone has an opinion, but anyone who thinks this trade was a bad move has no idea what they're talking about.

Without hindsight:

T-rob was a consensus lottery pick across the board. Nobody who made a mock draft had him going past the top 10, and guys like Chad Ford had him going as high as number 2 at one point. And although he's performed less than expected in Sac, it's not like he's been playing at Thabeet/Flynn level either, he was good enough to put up 8 pts and 10 rebs in 30 mins. You'd be crazy not to take a chance on this guy, esp. if all it cost you was PPat.

With hindsight:

Check out how badly Ppat's stats dropped all across the board in Sac. That's the effect a bad team can have on a player, and Ppat's a 3 year vet, while T-rob's just a rookie. Not only that, the trade opened up PT for DMo, who actually plays like MM and PP combined. Worst case scenario, you got T-rob as a bench player for 3 years on a rookie scale contract, while PP was gonna leave next year anyway due to his rookie contract expiring.

Like I said, there is no downside to this trade. At all. Dmo's playing better than PP ever did.

 

Why is this still not registered? It has been stated countless times and people still just ignore it. The fact is, you only have to trade ONE OF Patterson and Morris, NOT BOTH, to give DMo the green light. In fact, trading Patterson for Robinson does nothing to ease the PF logjam. Either Jones or Robinson is going to stick around in the DLeague, assuming DMo is the man now.

 

I liked Patterson and mook (who is a good rotation player on any team 40% 3 is no jk) but dmo and Trob give us more time for development because of there rookie status and also provide much better potential. Dmo is already better than both on the offensive end and Trob is better than all 3 at rebounding the ball. These are guys who are just rookies playing in there 5th and 3rd games of significant minutes for this team.

While we may take a step backwards in the short term the long term effects could be great. Both guys are gonna be very solid pros with Allstar potential if they develop like the scouts think. I think if both can buy into there roles we could be set at pf for the next 10 yrs.

I think a future big rotation of asik/dmo/Trob could be a nightmare for team in yr or two they all have different skills and our already pretty damn elite at a certain skill at this early parts of all three careers. Asik rebounding/defense, dmo post play/offense, Trob rebounding/athletic freak. I really think they can all compliment each other at different times. If we need a stop throw in Trob with asik. If we need offense throw in asik and dmo and if we want to run and gun play dmo and Trob.

The potential is scary for this front line and all three are good guys who work extreamly hard and want to be great. We couldn't ask for a better young front court that compliments each other in different ways. This trade will pay off big time very soon and if the long term could be the answer to our front line for the next decade. All these guys are extreamly talented and young give them time to grow and it will be special.

 

I love the trade, personally.

Even IF TRob busts we opened up cap space.

 

In essence, we got Thomas Robinson, Francisco Garcia, and Aaron Brooks for Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich, and Tony Douglas.

 

Again, thank you Sacramento!

 

I never really knew you to take such offense to some taking the opposite side. Read your posts and you will see hyperbole. Did anyone say "EPIC FAIL!!!"? Does anyone even use "Epic" anymore? The "bashing" is more against those using the words "EPIC".

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05-23-2012, 02:04 PM

 

Always happy to drop coin into the jar.

 

Tyreke Evans Says Thomas Robinson Was Frustrated As A Sacramento King

Run up and down the Sacramento Kings’ roster and chances are – you’ll find a player that is either currently or at the least, has been frustrated with his situation. Apparently for the now traded Thomas Robinson, it was no different. Speaking to Hoopsworld, Tyreke Evans, who’s also been rumored to have been less than thrilled with his Sacramento situation in the past said the former Jayhawk was growing tired of his time in Sacramento:
“[Robinson] is going to be pretty good,” Evans told HOOPSWORLD. “He’s young and got a lot of talent. He was a little frustrated here, but the same thing [happened] with (current Utah Jazz forward) Derrick Favors. He was in New Jersey frustrated, went to Utah and now he’s playing good.”
Robinson, who’s dealt with some of the most difficult circumstances one can in life, has an all-world heart both on and off of the court, though, there were some that expressed frustration with his cockiness on that said floor.
With that said though, on a team who’ll be pushing thirty wins if they’re lucky, it’s difficult and frustrating to watch a top five pick struggle to find minutes – especially given his solid play outside of December where the athletic big man struggled.
What’s done is done – though, it’s hard not to imagine King fans looking back on this deal in a few years and still not shake their head.

http://aroyalpain.com/2013/02/27/ty...robinson-was-frustrated-as-a-sacramento-king/

Not sure if this has been posted before.... but it is interesting.