Rockets acquire Thomas Robinson; Morris traded to Phoenix; Patterson, Douglas, Aldrich to Kings

Nobody is declaring him a bust. Don't try to beat the straw man. Patterson and Morris aren't busts either. They are solid rotation players. If TRob turns out to be on the same level as them, then the trade was a lateral move for the future and a slight setback for the present.

The best scenario is that he can contribute right away and become a borderline star in the future. I am hoping for that. The worst scenario is that he is a true bust and Patterson and Morris become very good.

 

Not a lateral move when you free up some salary space, the PF glut, and get a 2nd round pick for your troubles.

Mooks was not a rotational caliber player. Patterson is. D-Mo has star potential and needed more minutes and T-Jones needs an opportunity too because his value is now rock bottom despite being the most NBA ready out of all our rooks.

 

The most NBA ready of all our rooks has been and is DMo. While most pods you were racing about TJones in preaeason DMo was doing his thing. DMo was already NBA ready the first time he stepped on the court in preseason.

 

Which is why Jones was ahead of him at start of season. Granted, it didn't last long. Also, Beverley was the most ready of the rookies this year. Motiejunas just needed work on strength and defensive rotations.

That said, Motiejunas has looked very good so far with increased minutes.

 

Jones is not playing because we got Robinson.

 

Actually, a good number of posters were openly declaring him a bust before he had a chance to put his uniform on. And not figuratively - specifically and definitively saying that he was a bust.

Sad times when Morey has reshaped the roster, we've got a team looking to both make the playoffs and be even better going forward....and yet several members of this BBS only seem interested in tearing down members of the roster or front office.

Because that must be more fun than enjoying one of the better products the Rockets have put on the floor in the past 15 years.

 

We don't get enjoyment out of it. We just don't get enjoyment out of being a minion that thinks because he was drafted high and traded for by DH, that it was an awesome trade.

Signed,
Hasseem Thabeet,
Johnny Flynn,
Terrrence Williams, (still owe a 1st on that one..)
Stromile Swift (ok...that was CD's doing)

I hope last night was the beginning of something good but let's keep the excitement in check realizing that most of his good play was against Dallas' C team. Still a start though...

i.e. It's still way too early for anyone to say I told you so but there will be way more enjoyment if the Nays are wrong and TRob produces something good than if the Nays are right.

 

Signed guys that all played at least 1.5 seasons with their previous team before we acquired them?

 

Upside: DMo + TRob >>>>> PPat + MM

 

^This. They complement eachother well, whereas Pat and Morris were fairly redundant. DMo has a chance to be outstanding offensively, and TRob has a chance to be the rebounding 4 we never had. If both DMo and Robinson can improve their defense, our 4 position will no longer be the weak link on our team, but rather, an real attribute.

 

Fixed this just for you, Otis.

 

Among the Morey acquisitions, only Williams was the main guy acquired. It was a mistake.

 

I agree that Flynn and Thabeet didn't come here with much promise but everyone here seems to think picked 5th = foundation player or great trade asset. That is not always the case regardless of when they were traded. And now after 2 stinkers with us and 1 game against the scrubs, people are coming out of the woodwork claiming...see...eat crow...

He needs work. I lot of work IMO. And I'm not sure he's ever shown much more than to be an athletic rebounder (bench player). At the same time the Lakers will be breathing down our neck for that last spot. I really was looking forward to going into the playoffs and this team coming back next year with a young swagger.

 

JONES ISN'T PLAYING BECAUSE HE'S HURT.

It has nothing to do with the trade. We'll see what happens once he heals up.

 

Hmm I guess we're seeing the reason T-rob got picked in the lottery: his work ethic's pretty solid.

It's pretty crazy, but the guy's improvement over the last 3 games has been noticeable. And his minutes has increased as well.

Game 1: 7 mins, 2 pts, 1 reb, 1 assist (with horrible D)
Game 2: 12 mins, 2 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist (with decent D)
Game 3: 17 mins, 10 pts, 8 rebs, 1 assist, 3 steals (decent D)

And the cool thing is Dallas isn't exactly a pushover. They have Kaman, Dirk and Brand who are all pretty savvy vets and yet T-rob was able to give out a decent showing. Here's hoping he continues to improve, we might not need a max FA next year with the way Dmo and T-rob are playing.

 

Actually the trade made the team better because it forced Donatas into the starting line up... Patterson benefited from the play of Harden, Lin, and Parsons which is obvious by the numbers he is putting up now that he's in Sacramento.

 

Jones isn't playing because he has a wrist injury. When he's healthy he will probably get a chance to show what he can do...

 

Like it or not lottery picks will always be valued higher than warranted. Based on purely his ability, Flynn should have been cut from the team after his first season, and yet he lasted throughout his entire contract because he was a lottery pick. This is because the player got in the lottery for a reason, sure the GM who picked him might have just sucked, but even so for a player to get in the lottery he must have shown potential one way or the other.

As far as T-rob is concerned, I don't think his 2nd game was a stinker. He didn't put up much production but his D was considerably improved. "Athletic rebounder" doesn't seem that bad, I can't think of an athletic rebounder who wasn't a good defensive player as well, those three qualities tend to go hand in hand. If he can give you defense, rebounding and athletcism then I see T-rob becoming Josh Smith except without the tendency to shoot mid-range Js. That's actually pretty awesome IMHO.

 

Horsecrap. You and several other individuals went on a posting FRENZY trashing Robinson and the trade for well over a week. Don't spin what happened. Not a single soul asked you, vator, cyclorider, Carl Herrera, or any of the others to think it was an AWESOME TRADE. You guys could have gone the sensible and civil "let's wait and see" route, but that wouldn't have been fun.

More over the top nonsense! Hooray!
Not that it matters, but my reactions to the above:
Thabeet - hated it, knew he was an unsalvagable bust.
Flynn - knew he didn't matter. He was simply trade filler and part of the price it took to shed the <strike>corpse</strike> contract of Brad Miller.
Williams - I logged it under wait and see. He definitely had talent, but it goes down as one of Morey's worst blunders. Feels like he completely disregarded the well known attitude red flags. Some guys are simply uncoachable.
Swift - wasn't on Morey, wasn't really a terrible acquisition either. He was who he was, and I knew from his Grizzlies tenure that he was a braindead loaf coasting on size and talent. One season and dumped (Shane Battier). Brad Miller and Trezor Ariza were worse contracts, IMO.

If you're taking the stance that "everybody" thinks he's a top 3 PF or some such, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. 85% of CF think that he is/should remain a back up. He needs time to refine his offense, and he may as well be starting from scratch after wasting 8-9 months with Sacramento's coaching staff.

As far as I'm concerned, his post-trade role is to replace and upgrade Marcus Morris' reserve role (21 min, 43% FG, 8 ppg, 4 rpg). If he gives us a rough equivalent of his SAC numbers (5 and 5), I think that'll be fine. I suspect that he'll pick up steam as he finds his comfort zone within this offense, however.

Everyone of course not including all the folks like yourself that relentlessly bashed Robinson or called him a bust the past week. Or all the other folks that never posted or thought that Robinson is a foundation player or a "great" trade asset. Other than all of those folks, then, yeah, "everyone"

Patterson's first two games as a King (combined):
1-3, 2 pts, 1 rebound
Third game, against 2nd to last team in the NBA (ORL)
5-8, 13 pts and 7 rebounds, prompting the Carl Herrera "comparison" thread

As a King, Patterson's numbers are down across the board, even if you adjust minutes. It's what happens when you put guys on to a new team. They don't all explode like Harden did.

Maybe Robinson will become a strong rotation guy, maybe he doesn't pan out. Having watched him play the last couple of years, I think he'll give us a good run (maybe as a reserve a la Landry or Hayes). Either way....what I've been saying since the trade happened: GIVE HIM SOME TIME. No sense in being in such a hurry to cream the guy.

 

You do realize that most of his stats last night weren't against any of those players right?