He was in the 'Hitler Youth' movement which most boys were forced to join -- he wasn't ever a Nazi. I have many problems with this guy, but that is one we can't hold against him.
You say Hitler youth movement, I say Jr Nazi. I'm sure their were many adults forced to join the Nazi movement, it doesn't change the fact that they were Nazis.
This reminds me of another poster who could not distinguish your/you're and there/their. That poster was similarly annoying. Can't remember the screen name. What was it?
What a perfectly odd and incorrect statement. I know many defense attorneys who have either gotten their client a walk or a conviction on a much lesser offense because the state didn't have enough evidence to prove their case. These attorneys aren't representing the rich and famous either. They are representing ordinary people. Most criminal convictions are obtained or plea deals accepted because the state has good evidence that would meet the burden of proof. The fact that you want to jail an 85 year old man on a suspicion without proof is disturbing. If the proof is there of culpability, he belongs in mal and should be prosecuted. He should not be jailed based on assumption and innuendo.
What about all of the cases of innocent people being jailed. Try going to a Texas courthouse with a public defender and happen to be black or Hispanic. It seems like these Italian newspapers have evidence. Their is evidence of the pope covering this up.
Another one....... http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...conclave-update-3-ix-tv-idUSL6N0BPA0E20130225 Cardinal's departure darkens mood as pope allows early conclave A senior cleric resigned under duress on Monday and Pope Benedict took the rare step of changing Vatican law to allow his successor to be elected early, adding to a sense of crisis within the Roman Catholic Church. With just three days left before Benedict becomes the first pope in some six centuries to step down, he accepted the resignation of Britain's only cardinal elector, Archbishop Keith O'Brien, who was to have voted for the next pope. O'Brien, who retains the title of cardinal, has denied allegations that he behaved inappropriately with priests over a period of 30 years, but said he was quitting the job of archbishop of Edinburgh. He could have attended the conclave despite his resignation, but said he would stay away because he did not want media attention to be focused on himself instead of the process of choosing the next leader of the 1.2 billion-member Church. O'Brien's dramatic self-exclusion came as the Vatican continued to resist calls by some Catholics to stop other cardinals tainted by sex scandals, such as U.S. Cardinal Roger Mahony, from taking part. Catholic activists have petitioned Mahony to exclude himself from the conclave so as not to insult survivors of sexual abuse by priests committed while he was archbishop of Los Angeles. In that post from 1985 until 2011, Mahony worked to send priests known to be abusers out of state to shield them from law enforcement scrutiny in the 1980s, according to church files unsealed under a U.S. court order last month. "O'Brien's recusal is also important as a precedent," said Terence McKiernan, of BishopAccountability.org, a U.S.-based documentation centre on child abuse by priests. "Many cardinals scheduled to join the conclave have been involved as bishops in handling cases of clergy sexual abuse, and some of them have done such a bad job that they too should recuse themselves from the conclave," he said.
If you had the first clue about how the system works, you'd know that Texas does not have public defenders. Private attorneys are appointed by the court, but there is no office of the public defender. If there is evidence of the Pope being culpable in this, then there should not be a problem proving it up. Once that can be done, I have no problem at all seeing him sentenced to a lengthy prison term.
I haven't done any criminal law in years, but you are outdated on this one. I still have friends who are criminal lawyers. Harris County has a public defender's office as of about 3 to 4 years ago. I don't think it is the only county in the state to have one. One of my ex classmates is the head of it. I believe that they have something like 40 or more lawyers and are still expanding. They have hired beginners and also expericed felony trial lawyers. As an aside innocent people plead guilty every day and I have pled some guilty that I was certain that their proclamations of innocence were true. This is not the rule. An example of one I assisted in pleading guilty. A 20 year old black guy. Some sort of disturbance-- a mild fight with a number of folks in Mcdonald's so they charged everyone including my guy who if I recall was just there to get a burger. The offense report was bs and very weak on its face. The DA refused to drop the case. He knew it was weak. Now I was court appointed. In the old system it was almost impossible to get a court appointed lawyer unless you could not bond out. If you could bond out most judges would deny a court appointed lawyer. So my guy was in jail. After a setting or two when they would not drop it I requested it to be set for trial. The DA' responded by offering credit for time served, meaning he could get out that day if he pled guilty. Cl told me "I am inncocent. The cops are lying." I said I believe you. The offense report is very weak and that is why they are giving you the offer to get out today with no fine and no probation. He said "I want to go to trial." I said: OK. "When can I go?" I said it will be about 2 or three weeks from now even with Motion fo speedy trial. C said: "I will lose my job and it is hard for me to find one" I told the DA about this either then or when he gave us the offer." "Can you guarantee me we can win" I said "No" you can always lose when a cop lies though your chances are pretty good considering the contradictions etc. in the offense report. I said "Sorry it is your choice. He pled. Now I did almost all misdemeanors, few felonies and fortunately only did criminal for about a year or two, but I am sure this happens , although less often with felonies with more at stake. WRT to race. Go down to the courts and I don't know if you can still see the prisoners being led from jail to court cuffed together. A common sight is to see 10 in the "chain gang" 6 or 7 blacks, 2 or 3 hispanics and 1 or 2 whites. '
Harris County having a public defender is very new indeed. I can still remember, as a young lawyer, my partner getting on the appointment list while I was filing bankruptcies and proving up divorces. Times have really changed. The fact of the matter is that, for contested cases, there is still a standard of proof that the government must meet for a conviction to lie. It should be no different for the Pope. If the evidence is there, he should go to prison.
Quite a depressing story Thank for sharing it though Rocket River They say if you innocent your should fight to clear your name hard choice when it cost you your job and lively hood. then again now he has a conviction which will make future jobs even harder to come by
O'Brien initially contests the charges, but now asks for your forgiveness. _____ Cardinal Keith O'Brien admits and apologies for sexual misconduct Cardinal Keith O'Brien, who was forced to resign by the pope last week, has made a dramatic admission that he was guilty of sexual misconduct throughout his career in the Roman Catholic church. In a short but far-reaching statement issued late on Sunday, the 74-year-old stated that "there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal". The former archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, and until recently the most senior Catholic in Britain, apologised and asked for forgiveness from those he had "offended" and from the entire church. O'Brien was forced to resign last week by Pope Benedict XVI, barely 36 hours after the Observer disclosed that three serving priests and a former priest were accusing him of "inappropriate acts" against them nearly 30 years ago, in a formal complaint to the pope's ambassador to the UK. The cardinal had "contested" those allegations, while his officials said he was taking legal advice. But now O'Brien has effectively admitted he had been breaching the church's strict rules on celibacy and its bar on homosexuality since he became a priest – and during his 10 years as a cardinal. full article
What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Why doesn't he own up to what he did and spill the beans? "Fallen below the standards" sounds as if he wants to cloud the issue and downplay what he has done.
Of course he does. He doesn't want to own up to what he did. He never would have admitted this much if he hadn't been busted. What a scumbag.
