Time to reduce repetitive posts? - another Lin thread

Clutchfans gets super crowded again, thanks to or annoyed by fans drawn by Jeremy Lin. It's certainly a lot of fun to have so many more posts to read, even sometimes you would strongly disagree to. However, I see many repetitive posts saying exact same thing, repeated by same poster or different posters. That made threads sometimes unbearable, for real discussions are simply buried. It seems that if we stop complaining about this or that group of fans, we would have reduced maybe 50% of posts. I can understand getting wore out after so many discussion about Lin, but don't we always say "don't shoot the messenger"? Then there will be no defense or counter attack. Disclaimer: I am not advocating for any trolling without consequences.

I do see many fans of Lin getting passionate about matters surrounding Lin, and some of the notions don't really sound reasonable. But I have to admit that as a fan of Lin and of course Rockets myself, also find some discussions are valid. Often than not, those were shot down by questioning of fan-hood or motives, which only made things worse.

McHale was one of the best players ever played the PF position, but nobody would rank him as high in the coach list. There were questionable or at least discussion worthy decisions by him. As many has pointed out in separate threads, that there were games people wondering about Asik was left on bench while we were getting killed on the glass. Honestly, I have NEVER seen a single poster responded as, "Asik is not an elite player, so his time is not guranteed"; or "Coach gets to decide whatever he sees"; or "Asik has this and that shortcomings, so there must be reason for coach to do that"; or "Other players played so much better to sub Asik back in".

But when it comes to Lin, we see such "reasoning" on every single page, as if that is a golden rule - everything happens to Lin must because he's not good. I totally agree that Lin is nowhere near elite or even very good. I personally don't rate him very high on PG list, and I personally even felt he's overpaid at current level of performance and contribution. But this is a young team, and everyone is making mistakes while they are learning. However, Lin is the one on shortest leash and most micro-managed.

Every time I see Delfino leading a fast break, I will cling onto something, because more than often, he will ignore running teammates or make a worse pass. Lin gets yanked every time he jumps up and finds nobody to pass to. To argue that he shouldn't be chewed out for his repeated mistakes is actually avoiding the real discussion - one of important aspects in management is fairness. I really don't see that in handling of Lin.

Let's revisit that overtime loss to Portland. Lin was put on bench for the entire OT, as a starter who had 11 points, 11 assists, and 6 rebounds, on 3-8 shooting. TD was put in to play the entire OT for "defensive purpose", with 2-11 shooting. In overtime, Rockets' offense only consisted of failed Harden ISOs (because the entire defense was on him only), and missed prayers by TD. At defensive end, Lillard burned Parsons & PPat every single time, after every single switch made by TD. That was screwed up coaching decision for the entire OT and the loss.

Lin is nowhere near those elite PGs in terms of play making. But his not so shady 11 assists in 36 mins at that particular game, most definitely could have helped Rockets in OT. As for defensive purpose of TD, if you switch him with Parsons in every single possession, it's just even more beyond logic. Nobody is perfect, but it was so hard for some of the vets here to call a mistake a mistake, when Lin is somewhere near that incident.

To me, that was a clear mistake and even bigger failure in adjustment by McHale. It has nothing to do with conspiracy against Lin. But for some reason, many vets were arguing passionately how it was NOT a mistake, and how Lin fans blah blah. To support such notions, some just went on to claim how TD played better and Lin got burned by Lillard, despite the fact that Parson was facing Lillard in OT, after switches. As if admitting a mistake was made by coaching staff regarding Lin would put them into the infamous LOF camp. I was very disappointed, because we could simply have agreed that as a mistake and everyone moves on.

In that "Lin'd rather.. and I tell him 'we are trying to win'" thread, durvasa was the ONLY vet I respect said something in the line that "might be wrong choice of words". It was plain simple logic and English, when you tell someone to change because we are doing something, obviously you mean he's NOT doing what you are trying to do. That doesn't need any context, and even if you insert the whole Greek history, that logic is not going to change. But as I said in that thread, I don't think McHale had any ill intention, it was just unfortunate of misuse of words. Context certainly helped to clarify perceived intentions, but misuse of words is still a mistake, be it unintentional or harmless (although it does sound bad). That thread would have shrunk to 10% of current size, if some vets stop being so defensive of McHale, even he clearly made the mistake, without any hidden agenda. Instead, some were busy to interpret that as tough love, and LOFs are pathetic and delusional

That reminds me of Steve Kerr's "Chinaman" comment. It was clearly a mistake, as he admitted and apologized. But instead of recognizing that and moving on, some of the posters were accusing Chinese of being oversensitive, and how they would never had problem to be called Italyman or Spainman or whatever. Not to compare the two mistakes, but rather see the similarity of response - when you have your opinion set for certain group of people, sometimes you would just argue for the sake of it to disagree with everything they say.

Last I checked, Lin is still a Rockets player, albeit an over-paid role player.

 

Exactly! Criticizing McHale's sub pattern for Asik will not be labeled as delusional player only fan would "rather" to see favorite player succeed at the expense of "team winning". Or it wouldn't be shot down with "Asik is a role player".

 

If you bothered to read the thread, you would have known that I didn't mention last night's game, and in that thread I clearly said I didn't have problem with that 4th quarter.

However, if you have bothered to read the thread before your copy & paste your repetitive dismissive and attacking comment, you would have known that I was talking about people like you, as part of the problem on this board, in this very thread, you decided to post twice but not read once.

Have a good day.

 

In other words, you were just flame-baiting to intentionally argue about Beverly which I never mentioned? Then you started name calling and blamed me for being "sensitive"?

I don't question others' motives, but isn't what you did the very definition of trolling?

 

I am more worked up about the attitude and reaction of posters, as evident as some replies in this thread and many others.