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Thug Life: White House threatens Woodward

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. bigtexxx

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    from google, the definition below. Some of you are hell bent on a witch hunt to label people racist. It's a clear sign that you cannot argue based on fact, reason and logic.

    thug
    /THəg/
    Noun
    1. A violent person, esp. a criminal.
    2. A member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India, suppressed by the British in the 1830s.

    Synonyms
    hoodlum - killer - cutthroat - gangster - murderer
     
  2. rhadamanthus

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    via my twitter feed:

    Massive job losses at stake per the sequester, but the press is focusing on a millionaire journalist's hurt feelings.

    'Merica!
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Here's the thing. His feelings weren't even really hurt as the email shows. It's just him trying to bring the focus to himself. Good to see the actual emails released and find out that like other basso threads this one was about nothing real at all.
     
  4. sammy

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    LOL makes perfect sense now :rolleyes:
     
  5. basso

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    President Obama’s Losing Hand on the Sequester Fight

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    Why Bob Woodward's Fight With The White House Matters to You
    And why I iced a senior Obama White House official.
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    By Ron Fournier
    Updated: February 28, 2013 | 10:48 a.m.
    February 28, 2013 | 9:49 a.m.


    Former Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward talks during the program "Remembering Watergate: A Conversation" at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum in Yorba Linda, Calif., Monday, April 18, 2011. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)
    The fight between the White House and journalistic legend Bob Woodward is a silly distraction to a major problem: The failure of President Obama and House Republicans to lead the country under a budget deadline.
    Woodward-gate is a distraction the White House welcomed, even encouraged, as part of a public-relations strategy to emasculate the GOP and anybody else who challenges Obama. It is a distraction that briefly enveloped my reporting last weekend, when I essentially broke ties with a senior White House official.
    Yes, I iced a source– and my only regret is I didn’t do it sooner. I decided to share this encounter because it might shed light on the increasingly toxic relationship between media and government, which is why the Woodward flap matters outside the Beltway.
    On Saturday, White House press secretary Jay Carney accused Woodward of being “willfully wrong” on a story holding the White House accountable for its part in a legislative gimmick called sequestration. (Months ago, the GOP-controlled House passed, and Obama signed, legislation imposing $1.2 trillion in cuts unless an alternative is found by Friday.)
    Carney isn’t the first press secretary to criticize a reporter. Presidential aides do it all the time to set the record straight or -- often, more cynically -- to dodge accountability. I was struck by the fact that Carney’s target has a particular history with White House attacks. I tweeted: “Obama White House: Woodward is ‘willfully wrong.' Huh-what did Nixon White House have to say about Woodward?”
    Reporting by Woodward and Carl Bernstein uncovered Watergate misdeeds and led to the resignation of President Nixon. My tweet was not intended to compare Nixon to Obama (there is no reason to doubt Obama’s integrity -- period) but rather to compare the attack to the press strategies of all the presidents’ men.
    I had angered the White House, particularly a senior White House official who I am unable to identify because I promised the person anonymity. Going back to my first political beat, covering Bill Clinton’s administration in Arkansas and later in Washington, I’ve had a practice that is fairly common in journalism: A handful of sources I deal with regularly are granted blanket anonymity. Any time we communicate, they know I am prepared to report the information at will (matters of fact, not spin or opinion) and that I will not attribute it to them.
    This is an important way to build a transparent and productive relationship between reporters and the people they cover. Nothing chills a conversation faster than saying, “I’m quoting you on this.”
    The official angered by my Woodward tweet sent me an indignant e-mail. “What’s next, a Nazi analogy?” the official wrote, chastising me for spreading “bull**** like that” I was not offended by the note, mild in comparison to past exchanges with this official. But it was the last straw in a relationship that had deteriorated.
    As editor-in-chief of National Journal, I received several e-mails and telephone calls from this White House official filled with vulgarity, abusive language, and virtually the same phrase that Woodward called a veiled threat. “You will regret staking out that claim,” The Washington Post reporter was told.
    Once I moved back to daily reporting this year, the badgering intensified. I wrote Saturday night, asking the official to stop e-mailing me. The official wrote, challenging Woodward and my tweet. “Get off your high horse and assess the facts, Ron,” the official wrote.
    I wrote back:
    “I asked you to stop e-mailing me. All future e-mails from you will be on the record -- publishable at my discretion and directly attributed to you. My cell-phone number is … . If you should decide you have anything constructive to share, you can try to reach me by phone. All of our conversations will also be on the record, publishable at my discretion and directly attributed to you.”
    I haven’t heard back from the official. It was a step not taken lightly because the note essentially ended our working relationship. Without the cloak of anonymity, government officials can’t be as open with reporters – they can’t reveal as much information and they can’t explain the nuance and context driving major events.
    I changed the rules of our relationship, first, because it was a waste of my time (and the official’s government-funded salary) to engage in abusive conversations. Second, I didn’t want to condone behavior that might intimidate less-experienced reporters, a reaction I personally witnessed in journalists covering the Obama administration.
    That gets to why this matters beyond the incestuous Washington culture. One of this country’s most important traditions is “a free press that isn’t afraid to ask questions, to examine and to criticize,” Obama said at the 2012 White House Correspondents Association’s annual dinner.
    Because of tech-fueled changes in the market, there are fewer reporters doing more work with less experience than when I came to Washington with Clinton in 1993. Also, the standard relationship between reporters and their sources is more combative, a reflection of polarization in Washington and within the media industry.
    Personally, I had a great relationship with Clinton’s communications team, less so with President Bush's press shop, and now -- for the first time in my career -- I told a public servant to essentially buzz off.
    This can’t be what Obama wants. He must not know how thin-skinned and close-minded his staff can be to criticism. “I have the greatest respect and admiration for what you do,” Obama told reporters a year ago. “I know sometimes you like to give me a hard time, and I certainly like to return the favor, but I never forget that our country depends on you.”
     
  6. gifford1967

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    If basso, and li'l t consider that email threatening or "thuggish" they are even bigger bed wetters than I previously thought. Holy cow, does anything embarrass y'all.
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Understood. My focus was really more on the press' lack of focus on tangible issues.
     
  8. CrazyDave

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    My goodness, are we even sure that he's safe after threats like that?
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Lol, I'm juxtaposing in my mind this email exchange with how it would go down if it was part of the plot in House of Cards.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    Quick question: Is this worse than outing a CIA agent and threatening her husband?
     
  12. Major

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    Looks like everyone is jumping ship on this, leaving bigtexxx on his own conservative island.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.c...king-woodwards-threat-story-seriously?ref=fpa

    Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist's claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

    Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Woodward, "as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."

    "Looks like we were played," The Daily Caller's Matt Lewis wrote Thursday morning.
    [/i]

    More in the article from Twitter:

    RedState editor Erick Erickson: Ok wow. Finally read the email to Woodward. I must now move to the "not a threat" camp.

    Brit Hume ✔ @brithume: On one hand, only Woodward can say if he felt threatened by WH email. On the other, hard to imagine feeling threatened by Gene Sperling.

    Keith Urbahn @keithurbahn: Vintage Woodward: Cherry-pick a friendly exchange, make it sinister & vault himself into the media. Did it with Rummy in State of Denial.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I can't say I'd care much more if it had been threatening. It still wouldn't be anything like an extraordinary rendition threat. It'd be more like "there's something that'll come out later that will make you look like an idiot" or "we won't give you access" or maybe even "we'll discredit you and destroy your career" (which is probably not even possible). But the squabbles between the WH and reporters are of no import to me. As long as the WH isn't resorting to violence or other blatantly illegal forms of retaliation, I don't really have a problem with it.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Nice try... but you wrote "thug life", which is more commonly associated with rap, and most often Tupac, who formed a rap group called "Thug Life". Tupac described a code of life around gang life that the gangs followed.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug%20life
     
  15. mtbrays

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    Guys, seriously. Is it because he's black?
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    what a stretch from you. And if it puts your mind at ease, I'm not familiar with the rap group called "Thug life". sorry to wreck your logic.

    I don't get why there's this band of insecure posters who are hell bent on their racism witch-hunt. Probably because they're insecure about their own positions so they resort to what's easy...
     
  17. Nook

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    Disapointed....

    Wouldn't be surprised if the someone really threatened Woodward....

    However THAT is it?

    Jesus man, why is it that these kind of stories about Team Obama never fail to deliver?
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    Because they're perpetuated by imbeciles?
     
  19. rimrocker

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    The stories don't need to be real but rather they need to feed outrage among those disposed to hate the president. Outrage will drive Cons and wingnuts to the polls in 2016 and the pot must be constantly stirred between now and then.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    Did you mean "always fail to deliver?"
     

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