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McHale "(Lin) rather have 29pts and 9 TOs, I tell him 'we wanna win'""

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lucky Charm, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. raskol

    raskol Contributing Member

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    First of all, McHale must have been misquoted. It is the NY DailyNews.
    Secondly, it's quite obvious that McHale doesn't really think Jeremy's selfish.
    Thirdly, even if it was said, it's just McHale choosing a bad example. We've all done that.

    Having said that, what I think it is, is that McHale has always tried to teach Lin not to turn it over so much as that was his biggest criticism last year and it was clearly what McHale saw as one if his biggest weaknesses. Nothing wrong with that. What I do wish McHake would correct is that now it seems as if every turnover Lin makes stands out to him more than anything thereby proving his original point, not seeing that that is how Jeremy plays naturally which is aggressive. He's been said to play aggressive his entire career. And that is making Lin passive and hesitant making him play worse than he can. I wish McHale would let him play his game without the double standard of not ever talking about Harden's, Parsons, Delfino's bad turnovers. It can't be good for our team to have an ineffective Jeremy. I do believe that if Lin would be allowed to play basketball with confidence from his coaches, he can be a great home-run hitter and prove McHale wrong. Alls I know is that McHale trying to make Lin play conservatively is not what I personally want to see as I feel he's too limited as a spot up jumper to be relegated to that role.
    It's pretty clear why Jeremy has looked so bad this year: a combination of regressed shooting and not allowing him to play his game.

    Once, in my youth league, I had a 6ft 3 14 year old who wanted to shoot 3s all day. I've always hated big men shooting 3s as shouldn't he be rebounding?? I thought. So I chewed him out and asked him who he expected to get the rebounds. I forced him to rebound all game long all the time and frankly speaking I liked it better this way. Everytime he shot a 3 and we didn't get the rebound, I cursed him under my breath (don't judge me. I loved the kid) and it stood out like a thorn in my eye. I didnt see it then, but in retrospect he was clearly our best shooter and he wasn't allowed to play his game. Maybe we would've been better if I let him play his game. I only had him for one year but I heard he played decent in high school. I regret it now cuz that is what seems to be happening with one of my favorite players. Sigh~
     
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  2. rollingrockets

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    I think McHale is the one who should be taking it easy. in fact, maybe McHale needs to retire. the stress of the job seems to be getting to him to the point where bizarre nonsensical ramblings are just randomly coming out of his mouth, kinda like Royce White. for a coach to be making such random bizarre crap about his players is not good for the team and is not productive in any shape or form.
     
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    Harsh? What? Don't you think all the random crap McHale has been saying about Lin is harsh and totally uncalled for? How could any coach trash his players in such a way and get away with it? Its totally unprofessional not to mention bizarre. There is no rhyme or reason to it.

    I do hope its not true and the article is simply a product of the NY trash tabloids... but if it is true....then d.a.m.n. McHale has got to go.
     
  4. gorockets2009

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    LOL, the Fakers are losing right now. They are too old as a team. TOs are killing them right now.:grin:
     
  5. Habs

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    If the Rockets miss the playoffs again, Lin won't need to win over the coaches or management. They'll be gone way before Lin is gone. As long as Ownership backs Lin, which has been made clear through every Les Alexander interview that he's a huge Lin fan, he'll be fine.

    Facts are facts. The team hasn't made the playoffs for a few seasons now. Morey was the GM during those years. If the team doesn't make the playoffs again, Lin's not going to be the scapegoat when Alexander gets impatient.

    There are only so many seasons Morey can go with the "we're rebuilding and waiting to sign a franchise player" excuse for whiffing on the playoffs. At some point, Ownership will want to see results. For every season the team misses the playoffs - that's revenue Ownership is missing out on. And at the end of the day, it's a business. Unless the Owner is part of the ultra elite class like Paul Allen, where billions just come in, he'll care a lot to see the revenue from making playoffs.

    That, and the fact that Lin is a cash cow for Les Alexander, means he'll be here for awhile whether he "wins over the coaches" or not. Because he'll be here through his contract - the coach and GM might not. Again, if the Rockets miss the playoffs again, fans and Ownership will be looking for a scapegoat - it'll be Morey or McHale.
     
  6. wanghan2004281

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    No doubt. All-stars should have way higher standards set for them in every aspect of the game including playing defense all the time and developing a leader personality since they are capable.
     
  7. raskol

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    Disagree. I've calling out Kobe's selfishness, the media saying that even in a bad game he still gets his 25+, and his saving his energy for offense bs for years. I'd take Harden over Kobe all day long even if Kobe is a mega superstar.
     
  8. Sports2012

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    Your different standards just sound like double standards.
     
  9. flamingdts

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    Don't understand what you are trying to say or what you are disagreeing with.

    If Lebron or Wade gets 10 turnovers and go 1-10, he will still be in the game. If Mario Chalmers has 10 turnovers and goes 1-10, he wouldn't.

    If you don't think that's fair, well too bad.
     
  10. kozmo

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    no one is going anywhere.....the rockets are the 2nd highest team in the NBA and the backcourt is the best int the NBA...Lin last time i looked was a big part of that back court.....Lins not going anywhere....no one is this year
     
  11. Rockets12

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    How is he trashing him? You're taking this far too seriously. Lin isn't the first player to be called out by his coach. Guys seriously calm down, this thread sure gave me a good laugh though
     
  12. Rockets12

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    But Lin needs to retire, so does Mchale :( the dude is senile and has no clue what he is doing!

    (obvious sarcasm....)
     
  13. SuperStar

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    You did the right thing man. Team sports doesn't work like that where you can let players do whatever they like. It has to be for the good of the team and a big man rebounding is way more important.
     
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    Yeah superstars have a longer leash because they can unleash any second. There's been games when harden struggles in the first game but then comes clutch in the fourth.

    Just deal with this team guys, no one is leaving
     
  15. Lucky Charm

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    I have been exposed. It's true, I forced McHale to say it just so I could start this thread which I knew would go some 40+ pages of bickering. :rolleyes: Now who's the schizo?

    Pollos, I didnt think you could outdo yourself but you did. This is now your dumbest post yet. A shame, because your posts had been cool as of late when you hopped off the paranoid "LOFS are out to get us!!" wagon.

    Don't be mad at me, I wasn't the dumbass who went blabbing to the media with those terrible choice of words.
    And quite frankly there IS or was a decent discussion and civilized disagreements for the most part. (BobbytheTroll and the other Pattern something ruined it, as every other thread they touch)
    So quit being so butthurt over a little heated discussion in a ...discussion board.


    See now these are some nice comments and I totally agree with you Vpballa!
    ~Quote incident aside, what would be so bad about letting Jeremy look for his shot?
    We'd have two great attacking high IQ combo guards, who are always more than willing to pass to the open man, basically the total opposite of the Ellis-Jennings backcourt :p
    Picture both James and Jeremy being relentless attackers who look for their shot first, James is already great obviously and has the green light but I think Jeremy could finish more often at the rim when he has his mind made up of going strong to the hole instead of thinking 'eek, now I gotta pass it'.
    That backcourt would be a headache to the opposing defense, they'd have to focus so much on stopping them from getting to the rim for 2 easy points, it'd instantly open up our perimeter shooters, no? what do you guys think.
     
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  16. Habs

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    Really, in simple terms this argument of Lin vs McHale (vs Morey) is stupid.

    To put it in regular everyday perspective, it's like this:

    Say you're a new entry level Engineer or employee at a big company like Microsoft (or Exxon Mobil for the Texans reading this). And say you've got a ton of potential, and you've shown this through prior projects, but you also tend to get sloppy sometimes and need your calculations double-checked a little more than other new Engineers (that you are more talented than). You have 2 Managers (Morey, McHale) who's Engineering team is coming off a couple prior dismal years. His reputation for being really efficient with his teams has taken a hit. Naturally he'd rather keep the other Engineers who are currently more accurate but less talented, because he needs results now. So, he lays you off.

    While you're laid-off, you have a lot of free time. Through a string of miracles, you meet Bill Gates' daughter (or Rex Tillerson's, or whoever is the Chairman/CEO of the company you work at). Say during this time, Bill Gates' daughter is dating a douchebag that Bill Gates hates. As a great guy that's highly educated, charming, and comes from a good background, you win Bill Gates' daughter over and marry her. Gates is ecstatic his daughter married you and is no longer with that douchebag.

    Her daughter mentions to Gates you use to work for him, you're ultra talented, she shows him some of your projects. Gates is amazed and annoyed at the fact that they laid you off. He re-hires you, and his falling stock suddenly starts rising and threatens Apple/Google.

    Your Managers are forced back to working with you. Even though it's awkward, because they originally both decided to essentially get rid of you.

    So, now they're stuck working with you, and they never really liked you in the first place. You know that, they know that. 1 Manager is smart and saying the right things about you to his superiors, and coworkers. The other Manager can't get over the fact that he's stuck with you again even though he fired you.

    But none of it matters, because Bill Gates thinks your one of the most awesome people in the world. The entire organization knows this. You know this. So, in the end it doesn't matter because ownership ****ing loves you.

    That's this messed up situation.
     
  17. raskol

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    So, you wouldn't call them out on that? Really?
     
  18. wanghan2004281

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    But we do agree with each other, right? I like it.
     
  19. sammsung987

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    Keep having lin stand in the corner or bring up the ball for harden.
    You are an idiot if you think you'll still be the coach after this year or two.

    Once Lin's contract is up, I'm sure he would want out of houston and that wont make a happy Les.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    You're right and I shouldn't have called you like that, dumb addition to the post. You delivered the article and crappy journalism should not be displaced to the messenger.

    But I will say this, it still isn't verifiable and if this was in fact true some other source would be saying something.
     

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