McHale "(Lin) rather have 29pts and 9 TOs, I tell him 'we wanna win'""

Sarcasm?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--after-disappointing-breakup-with-knicks--jeremy-lin-building-a-better-relationship-with-rockets-14461809.html

 

You can interpret that as padding stats. I'll interpret it as trying to score too much when that's not your role on the team. Harden scores. The perimeter shooters score. Jeremy, especially of late, has shown an amazing vision. Why drive with that shaky at best left hand when he's a deft passer? The first half of the Brooklyn game was absolutely beautiful. That's what I think coach wants to see more from #7.

 

I can think of a context for Mchale. "Before the season started, Lin is a player who" Mchale said, "rather have 29pts and 9 TOs, I tell him 'we wanna win'"". We know Lin is a high score and high TO last season. "And this seaon, under my coaching, he is becoming a better facilitator and more conservative PG. " See, that's acceptable. Coach should thank me for saving his life.

Joke aside, we all know, at least most of us know, Lin is a player who is more than willing to sacrifice his stat to help team win. I never had a second thought about it. If coach thought otherwise then he is an idiot.

 

I agree as usual with Durv. We have on our hands a large group of Rorschach fans who see, hear, or read what they want to see, hear, or read. It happened in NY too when certain players or coaches made comments about Lin's tenure there, and most importantly fitting in with Melo longterm. Its all about context folks.

Anyone who has followed The Rockets for longer than the past 6 months and knows Kevin McHales sense of humor, and personality would find it completely obvious that these comments are in no way insinuating that Lin is a selfish player, or questioning his character. If McHale is going out of his way to say something about that player, that means he cares. If he doesn't mention you at all... then you need to worry. Lots of coaches in all sports are like this.

I look back at this Summer when Kevin McHale made a comment that was something like "If Chandler(Parsons) is going to be considered a leader on this team this year, boy we are in trouble." Everyone who knows McHale's personality knows that he loves Chandler and its more of just a poke of fun jab at him. Obviously fans on here do not share McHale's dry sense of humor.

To me, this should be such a non-issue to fans that have followed the Rockets longer than a day that its not even worth continuing this discussion.

People just need to stop pointing fingers at everyone else in the organization, and just realize that Lin actually isn't Michael Jordan just yet, has some areas of improvement to look at, and McHale calling a player out needs to be put in context. If you dont understand Kevin McHale, you really aren't in a place to be calling him out without having true understanding of what McHale means when he comments on something like this.

 

McHale is just calling Lin out for being careless with the ball.

Lin likes to make full court passes or jump in the air without deciding whether to shoot or pass. In the half court he also will make tough interior passes that are hard to catch.

His decision making could improve. He should try and emulate Parker or Andre Miller who hold that ball with a steel grip and have low TO's.

 

hahahahh, the context still looks bad. where did mchale get the impression that "lin rather have 29pts and 9TOs than win before the season started"? this is lin's first season as rox. before the season started must mean knicks' time. if my memory is correct, knicks won when lin scored tons and TOed alot.

 

1. NY Daily News
2. Unless there is video of this, most likely taken out if context by NY media.
3. NY Daily News

 

If you were Lin wouldn't you be confused by McHale's statement? If he didn't score 29 against OKC we wouldn't have won. And I think he only had 2-3 turnovers. I hope they communicate well in private because that statement doesn't make much sense. I think McHale is happiest when we win but Lin's stats are minimized. He's still happy when we win and Lin has good stats - but Jeremy's good showing pisses him off and he looks for something to diss him on. Kinda like a LOH.

The whole thing sounds ridiculous but I bet it's close to the truth.

 

Why doesn't he call out Harden then? James makes a lot more turnovers. Parsons is not exactly CP3 either.

 

Mchale then says, "We wanna win, we wanna win championship, we need better offense plays, we need better strategies..." Is that better?http://www.clutchfans.net/bbs/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

He's a mature grown man, not a 5 year old.

 

There should be a separate board for Lin threads.

 

Jason Friedman tweets to knicksfan

To sum up: That snippet was taken from pregame intvw in which McHale RAVED about Jeremy. Said he couldn't be

happier about his growth and progress. That quote in question was made in reference to McHale's desire to more

often see Jeremy make the safe pass instead of high-risk, high-reward one; in other words: NOT an uncommon refrain

from coaches to their young players. And guess what: message seems to be working: Lin's TO rate down from last yr

I could go on (and on) with more refutations but honestly, why bother? People will see what they want to see and

believe what they want to believe. After 5 months of discussing it, I've realized nothing is going to change on

that front which is fine. People are most definitely entitled to their own opinions.

 

I'm seriously considering starting one in the D&D. Not sure how to word it to kick things off just right.


Was thinking " what exactly did Jeremy do to the couch?" Go!

 

LOL how about "ROX are meaner to Jeremy than the Knicks were! yes/no"

 

this is only aspect i can't argue with. it could be bs but it could also be true. 50/50 to me unless we listen the real clip where the words came from.

all other excuses for mchale presented by pre-2012ers (whatever you call) are just nonsense. they've done nothing but shifting topic, taking words out of the context what mchale's critics said, intentionally misinterpreting mchale's words, expanding topics, and ....

remember labeling a player who cares own stats more than team win is a death penalty. no player wants to be called selfish. melo fiercely defended himself when being called selfish. all his current or formal teammates including lin and his coaches came out to defend him. it means how serious it could be.

 

I was close. Coach should try this every time before game, and he can say "Lin rather have 35 pts..."

 

So the myth grows... propogated by certain posters.

The numbers do not substantiate that Harden is "just bad" on defense. He is metrically an average to slightly below average defender.

 

So, stop being biased for a second and consider this statement:

- Some games Harden would rather have 29 pts and 9 TOs.

Does this not indicate that McHale thinks said player is overly worried about his stats and not the teams success? That he believes this players game is not conducive to wins. Doesn't it also indicate that McHale believes this player should not be taking so many shots or taking over too much of the offense, that's he's already doing too much to his liking.

Please honestly answer without just reflexively arguing against everything and labeling everyone as deranged Lin fans whenever a point is made. Honestly,

Do you really think McHale believes Lin is suitable for this team?
Do you really think McHale wants Lin to play aggressive and score or do you think McHale wants him to play conservative snd pass it to the better players?
Do you really think McHale wants him here?
Do you really think McHale thinks Lin can reach the potential of a star?Linsanity? How often have you seen McHale give Lin a "real" compliment, not the "he's gonna get better. He's a great kid. He's getting better. I'm happy with him.- type of stock comment that you can say about everyone.
Have you ever heard Mchale ever say "oh boy, he had a really good game didn't he?" and sound enthusiastic about Lin? Or did you hear a rushed tentative, "but the important thing is that we need to play smarter basketball" type of deflection to any question regarding Lin's good play?

Reporter: (after Harden has a good game) How did you like Harden when he made "those" plays tonight?
McHale: Boy, I gotta tell you he's one heck of a player. Absolutely amazing.

Reporter: (after Parsons has a good game) How did you like Parsons when he made "those" plays tonight?
McHale: You know, Chandlers just so good at everything. He's one of those players that just gets things done.

Reporter: (after Lin has a good game) How did you like Jeremy when he made "those" plays tonight?
McHale: You know, Jeremy did good tonight. He didnt bring it up the court faster like we wanted him to. And he couldve slowed it down a couple of times here and there, but.. no, he was good. I wish he would pass it more quickly once he comes down but.. no, he had a good game today.

In case you don't see the difference between these reactions, Lins the only player who gets these condescending compliments and begrudgingly at that. It alike he can do no right

Having said that, I don't believe Mchale said what he was quoted as saying. Just NY media having fun with us. And I can't believe that you guys can defend this quote with so much strained forced excuses. Tsk tsk shame on you.

 

First post and I'm a LOF. I'm not buying this McHale hates lin idea, but you have to admit, it looks pretty shady. That being said, Lin has to learn how to shoot. I cringe every time he goes up for a shot. He also makes some boneheaded decisions.

Being a New York Giants fan, I saw what Tebow did to the Jets fanbase. Tebow fans were absolutely insane. Some of you LOFs need to get a grip and realize why true rocket fans get annoyed with some of you. LOHs don't hate Lin. They just want the Rockets to win. Period. End of story.

There are some Giant "fans" who are only fans because they're from Ole Miss and love Eli Manning. The minute Eli leaves the Giants. They will no longer be fans. Those fans really rub us the wrong way too. Again, true fans just want the team to win. If you will no longer be a rockets "fan" once Lin leaves, then you aren't a rocket "fan". You're a follower.

In short, LOFs need to chill the heck out. There aren't any LOHs, just rocket fans that care about their team. Of course, there are your blatant trolls, but you should be able to spot them from a mile away.