Hospital Granted Request 'No Black Nurses' Lawsuit

According to the article, the hospital's legal department was not on board with this, so I'm not sure they agree.

 

If anyone else with healthcare or just eyewitness anecdotal experience can attest to this (both the gender specific request and lack of legal action), it's actually a pretty sound rebuttal.

 

I don't care what race you are ignorant is ignorant. The hospital should of said no from the beginning and they deserve to pay for their actions to treat an employee like that is unacceptable. That's what's wrong with this country everybody is scared to stand up for themselves, what a cowardly decision by the hospital to give into some neo Nazi piece of trash.

 

Not exactly. Gender regarding someone touching you and /or viewing you naked isn't the same as race because of the sexual harassment issue. A woman might be very uncomfortable with a male nurse giving her a sponge bath for reasons besides bigotry.

 

Don't agree that this was about morality. Even if the father is a practicing doctor (not in the same hospital), he does not have the credentials or right to determine who will best to take care of the child since he does not know the personnel. That responsibility falls solely on the care giver, not the patient.

 

Yes, they would. Patients make crazy requests all the time.

I'm an RN. I'm a man. It happens. Color, creed, gender, etc., it happens.

Edit: Rather, they would if we were able to accommodate the request. If there were only male RNs (or white, black, brown, etc.) available, then that changes things.


Hospitals have a duty to provide care for those who meet criteria for admission. Obviously, someone determined that the baby in this case met said criteria. I don't know where anyone is getting this idea that a hospital can just accept/treat patients whenever they feel like it. Nonmaleficence is a major principle of ethics in healthcare. It was the RIGHT of the guardian to refuse care. If the hospital refused to accommodate his request, maybe he discharges the baby against medical advice, and then the kid dies. Who sues who then?

Were something like this to happen on the days I'm the charge RN, I would have called the house RN supervisor first (for back up), but ultimately I would have made the same decision, and it's all because I'd rather have someone think poorly of me than to put my patient (the baby) in harms way.

 

. . and you should be sued for the decision

Rocket River

 

Holy crap you people are so spiteful. The racist father was wrong. He doesn't want a black nurse caring for his child because he's an ignorant neo-Nazi. Just oblige him, tell your black nurses that they don't have to suffer dealing with this family, and be on with your day.

Instead, you sue your employer. You want to punish the hospital or whoever made the call. And the real d******d who started all this just laughs and watches the puppets dance.

Suing the hospital punishes the wrong people.

 

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I'm ok with the hospital telling the patient they won't accomodate his request. I'm also ok with the hospital accommodating a paying customer if they feel it takes precedent over employee satisfaction. Not a place I would like to work for, but they can run it how they like.

But suing the hospital is dumb.

 

Really? Because she'll probably win, and the hospital will stop accommodating bigoted requests. Limiting an experienced professional's duties because of their race, and assuming they're happy to do less challenging work, kind of hurts (and insults) the wrong people too.

 

We get it, you like force being used to coerce behavior you find morally desirable.

Myself, I'm not so puritanical. I recognize in a free society people may act in a way I don't approve of, and I don't feel the need to force them to change their ways.

Public shaming of the hospital would be the moral way to achieve the change in behavior you seek.

 

No it isn't. Many traditional females do not want men they do not know seeing their exposed body.

 

This is exactly what the lawsuit will accomplish. It's why people around the country are discussing what happened. The mission has been accomplished on a national scale.

IMO, the nurse shouldn't get any money. Wouldn't be surprised if she dropped the lawsuit in exchange for a public statement by the hospital.

 

Yup, and I got three generations of judicial, legislative and executive support behind me. You have a selfish and unfeasible political philosophy that in practice would legitimize more private "force" than it would prevent (the real, life-threatening kind, not the whiny, sheltered, upper-middle-class perception thereof), so have fun staying irrelevant.

 

Unfortunately racial and gender segregation are based on some of the same social and sexual irrationalities; it's just that with gender the groups are more equitably numbered, so individual discrimination doesn't seem as oppressive.

 

We do believe you have a right to decide on who is in charge of your healthcare right?

Separate but equal would be if the patient was black, but wasn't allowed at the hospital.

If the hospital rearranged her schedule or something that negatively impacted her, I would see grounds for a lawsuit, but that doesn't appear to have occurred. Instead a patient wanted to be treated by someone else, even if that reasoning is ridiculous.

 

I guess I'm confused about why you're trying to downplay the frivolity of the lawsuit and uphold the morals of the case. It's a thread about a lawsuit and you just said whether the plaintiff deserves to win the case is irrelevant. You then proceeded to make a case against the defendant.

The guys' request for no black nurses is hysterically stupid. However, the hospital should not have to lose a lawsuit against the nurse as collateral for a client putting them in a difficult position. The hospital is basically in double jeopardy here. I agree that the BEST moral choice would have been to reject the man's request. However, I do not think the choice to uphold his wishes implies any ill-will by the hospital against the nurse.

The woman could sue the man, which is more logical... but where's the money in that?

 

What's happened here is the argument has broadened to the most general level possible and become an ideology war. It's not longer about the case. You'll have to forgive everyone for not unanimously agreeing with your opinion and not bowing to your citation of "judicial, legislative, and executive support" behind you.. whatever that means. Some of us wish society was free of racism but don't think, in this case, that the institution should have to monetarily compensate the employee who was a bystander to a racist request. My opinion could change if the hospital is shown to have any sign of direct racist interaction with the nurse.

Nice job working some ad hominem in between those parenthesis too. Overall I think you would earn a law school B+.

 

i hate hospitals

 

Commodore's a libertarian, closet or otherwise, and he vomited the same empty "public shaming" alternative they like to throw out when criticizing the Civil Rights bill or anti-discrimination policies of any kind. You know, the ones that have been around for three generations or so, and codified legislatively, endorsed through Court rulings and enforced by executive action. He also conflated a prospective monetary penalty reached upon through due process with physical force, which is unrealistic enough to reflect a sheltered view from one who can only measure morality, or their only sense of self worth, from their material wealth. The poor and lower-middle class tend to not have that luxury, the middle-class are too big a group to categorize and I have no inkling as to C's background, but whatever dumb-ass wrote the pamphlets he's reading is probably too detached from the realities of the economic majority. To you and all the other champs who support marginalizing black employees and placating bigots I say, again, she'll probably win; and if you don't understand why then you probably don't get how discrimination works.